Halachik Status of Illegitimate Minyanim

[aygart]

Umm no, it’s actually really REALLY clear

If you are basing solely on the no leaving home then this would apply

7) leaving the home for an educational, religious, or
political reason;

[zh cohen]

By your logic I can have a poker game with ten people as long as we sit 6 feet apart?

If the poker game is outdoors it becomes an "outdoor activity".

/sarc

[S209]

By your logic I can have a poker game with ten people as long as we sit 6 feet apart?

Only outdoors 

[moko]

It says that you are allowed to be outside of you are
1 - walking
2 - Running
3 - operating a wheelchair
4 - engaging in outdoor activities with immediate family members, caretakers, household members, or romantic partners.

Davening is not an "outdoor activity", even if you are davening outside.

Even if it was, it can only be done with "immediate family members, caretakers, household members, or romantic partners."

walking and running are not either outdoor activities. Ask any gym. They make alot if money off these indoor activities. As for the second part of your post , you need a lesson in reading comprehension. It's not a requirement to to do outdoor activities with a family member or caretaker. It's an allowance. You can do it alone as well as long as you maintain social distancing from others. If one enjoys praying outside, and many do on a regular basis, then perhaps it can be classified as an outdoor activity. Walking and running is also an indoor/outdoor activity

doesn't specify that. Also doesn't define a gathering. I'm not supporting one way or the other but the language is very vague and open to interpretation. Definitely not

it's clear that everyone is seeing this through clouded lenses on both sides. I'm not taking any side.

[CountValentine]

If the poker game is outdoors it becomes an "outdoor activity".

/sarc

No /sarc needed as we have poker games outside all the time.

[S209]

If you are basing solely on the no leaving home then this would apply

7) leaving the home for an educational, religious, or
political reason;

A) That was not in OPs quote. I confess, I did not peruse it in it’s entirety because what is right and wrong is very far from what is legal and what is not.

B) Even so, that doesn’t allow the actual outdoor activity, which OP’s quote would seem to explicitly prohibit.

[moko]

Can't speak for other states but in BOS there was an outdoor birthday procession for 90 year old Mario with many in attendance "practicing social distancing" with a POLICE ESCORT. That was our activity for today. Of course we stayed on our front lawn.

[CountValentine]

it's clear that everyone is seeing this through clouded lenses on both sides. I'm not taking any side.

You seem to be having a hard time with what gathering means. Here is a common one: an assembly or meeting, especially a social or festive one or one held for a specific purpose.

In case you are not sure. You are gathering for a specific purpose, to pray.

[S209]

walking and running are not either outdoor activities. Ask any gym. They make alot if money off these indoor activities. As for the second part of your post , you need a lesson in reading comprehension. It's not a requirement to to do outdoor activities with a family member or caretaker. It's an allowance. You can do it alone as well as long as you maintain social distancing from others. If one enjoys praying outside, and many do on a regular basis, then perhaps it can be classified as an outdoor activity. Walking and running is also an indoor/outdoor activity it's clear that everyone is seeing this through clouded lenses on both sides. I'm not taking any side.

One more time.

The order prohibits all outdoor activities except those which are included in the allowances. One can pray alone, but not as part of a gathering, the category which a minyan obviously falls into.

[aygart]

A) That was not in OPs quote. I confess, I did not peruse it in it’s entirety because what is right and wrong is very far from what is legal and what is not.

B) Even so, that doesn’t allow the actual outdoor activity, which OP’s quote would seem to explicitly prohibit.

The EO is not clearly written and open for interpretation. The facts are that the authorities and law enforcement are interpreting it as prohibiting prayer gatherings. It is even handed with many other types of gatherings and would likely be upheld in court.

[S209]

Can't speak for other states but in BOS there was an outdoor birthday procession for 90 year old Mario with many in attendance "practicing social distancing" with a POLICE ESCORT. That was our activity for today. Of course we stayed on our front lawn.

Hope they’re careful by the funeral as well

ETA: I don’t wish ill will towards anyone. I am obviously referring to whenever his funeral may be while insinuating that poor decision making can lead to negligent deaths occurring

[Shmobaum]

Hope they’re careful by the funeral as well

Vus hargisteh menchin?!? They were practicing SD!

[aygart]

Can't speak for other states but in BOS there was an outdoor birthday procession for 90 year old Mario with many in attendance "practicing social distancing" with a POLICE ESCORT. That was our activity for today. Of course we stayed on our front lawn.

That sounds like porch minyanim.

[moko]

One more time.

The order prohibits all outdoor activities except those which are included in the allowances. One can pray alone, but not as part of a gathering, the category which a minyan obviously falls into.

outdoor activities is the furthest thing from clear. That's all I'm claiming. If one can show an activity which takes place in a regular basis outdoor, they probably have a good legal argument

[moko]

That sounds like porch minyanim.

no, no, no,... This was a parade

[S209]

outdoor activities is the furthest thing from clear. That's all I'm claiming. If one can show an activity which takes place in a regular basis outdoor, they probably have a good legal argument

Again. Where was there an allowance for a minyan type gathering? Please show me, because otherwise it would fall under the

All New Jersey residents shall remain home or at their place of residence unless

language

[moko]

Vus hargisteh menchin?!? They were practicing SD!

actually they weren't... Another reason to assur outdoor minyanim for the same reason

[moko]

Again. Where was there an allowance for a minyan type gathering? Please show me, because otherwise it would fall under the

outdoor activities.... There are quite a few shtiblach that have non-stop regular outdoor minyanim

[Shmobaum]

Luckily we don’t live in Montreal.
True story.
My bil is by his in-laws since he came back from IL due to the situation. On 7th of Pesach they made a porch minyan with their 7 men and a back neighbor with 3 men. A non Jewish neighbor called the cops and long story short gave two ppl there $1,500 fines each.

[aygart]

Again. Where was there an allowance for a minyan type gathering? Please show me, because otherwise it would fall under the

language

If you are basing solely on the no leaving home then this would apply

7) leaving the home for an educational, religious, or
political reason;