Topic Wiki

Initiative to lower the standards:   https://simchainitiative.org/

Mishpacha Article link:                     https://mishpacha.com/at-all-costs/
                                                     https://mishpacha.com/at-all-costs-the-conversation-continues-2/

Jewish Pr. Interview W/R Reisman   https://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/interviews-and-profiles/over-1300-sign-pledge-to-hold-simpler-weddings-an-interview-with-rav-yisroel-reisman-rosh-yeshiva-of-torah-vodaath/2020/05/13/

Some interesting articles covering the guidelines from similar efforts 20 years ago

https://agudah.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/JO2002-V35-N06.pdf  page 10 article by Prof. Aaron Twerski
https://agudah.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/JO2006-V39-N041.pdf page 43 article by R Aryeh Zev Ginzberg
https://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/25/us/religion-journal-a-big-wedding-with-a-smaller-bill.html
« Last edited by David61 on May 28, 2020, 06:29:23 PM »

Poll

Wedding expenses in the frum community

Thank G-d for simchas
12 (6%)
This has gotten out of hand and a remedy is needed
150 (75%)
It's a problem but has always been this way and we'll manage as we have till now
38 (19%)

Total Members Voted: 200

Author Topic: POLL: Wedding expenses in the frum Community - BH for simchos? or out of hand?  (Read 124888 times)

Offline moko

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jul 2011
  • Posts: 4703
  • Total likes: 1563
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 2
    • View Profile
  • Location: BOS
His crusade against credit cards, is basically the same as the crusade against socially distanced minyanim.....it's clear that in most situations, people can't control themselves, so we need a lo plug.
:D couldn't have said it better myself
Ducking to avoid the eggs....

Online CountValentine

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Mar 2013
  • Posts: 16650
  • Total likes: 7482
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips -1
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
  • Location: Poland - Exiled
  • Programs: DAOTYA, DDF Level 3, 5K Lounge
His crusade against credit cards, is basically the same as the crusade against socially distanced minyanim.....it's clear that in most situations, people can't control themselves, so we need a lo plug.
Explain this to me then. Why did he at one point accept CC's as payment for his course?
Only on DDF does 24/6 mean 24/5/half/half

Offline aygart

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 18434
  • Total likes: 14611
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 14
    • View Profile
    • Lower Watt Energy Brokers
  • Programs: www.lowerwatt.com
Explain this to me then. Why did he at one point accept CC's as payment for his course?
So people should take it.
Feelings don't care about your facts

Offline moko

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jul 2011
  • Posts: 4703
  • Total likes: 1563
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 2
    • View Profile
  • Location: BOS
Explain this to me then. Why did he at one point accept CC's as payment for his course?
We call that a mistake. Chicago residents aren't familiar with those.  One that he actually owned and stopped accepting credit cards.  You can have many complaints against the man. That is not one of them. He also borrowed heavily to invest in real estate, a practice which he now speaks out against.

Offline Kobe Bryant

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jan 2017
  • Posts: 3980
  • Total likes: 2288
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 17
    • View Profile
Did he get bad press for anything other than his crusade against credit cards for points etc?
I feel that this deserves its own thread.

Online CountValentine

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Mar 2013
  • Posts: 16650
  • Total likes: 7482
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips -1
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
  • Location: Poland - Exiled
  • Programs: DAOTYA, DDF Level 3, 5K Lounge
We call that a mistake. Chicago residents aren't familiar with those.  One that he actually owned and stopped accepting credit cards.  You can have many complaints against the man. That is not one of them. He also borrowed heavily to invest in real estate, a practice which he now speaks out against.
What Chicago residents are familiar with is snake oil salesman. He is one the best. He stopped taking CC's after he was hammered left and right for being a hypocrite.
Only on DDF does 24/6 mean 24/5/half/half

Online CountValentine

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Mar 2013
  • Posts: 16650
  • Total likes: 7482
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips -1
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
  • Location: Poland - Exiled
  • Programs: DAOTYA, DDF Level 3, 5K Lounge
I feel that this deserves its own thread.
Yes and the truth about this snake oil salesman is well documented at creditboards.com
Only on DDF does 24/6 mean 24/5/half/half

Offline Kobe Bryant

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jan 2017
  • Posts: 3980
  • Total likes: 2288
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 17
    • View Profile
His crusade against credit cards, is basically the same as the crusade against socially distanced minyanim.....it's clear that in most situations, people can't control themselves, so we need a lo plug.
One has to treat CC like a machete, its a dangerous tool that  if utilized properly can do good things.

Online zh cohen

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Dec 2013
  • Posts: 1715
  • Total likes: 1685
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: 412
Explain this to me then. Why did he at one point accept CC's as payment for his course?

Because the processing for credit cards and debit cards is the same.

Online zh cohen

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Dec 2013
  • Posts: 1715
  • Total likes: 1685
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: 412
Yes and the truth about this snake oil salesman is well documented at creditboards.com

Link?

Offline shaulyaakov

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: May 2013
  • Posts: 2794
  • Total likes: 326
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 3
    • View Profile
Credit cards are a predatory lending product. That doesn't mean that everyone who uses them will fall prey. It's a product that gives consumers access to instant funds at extremely high interest rates, and then provides consumers incentives to use them - especially to use them heavily early on.

Look at a bank like capital one. Consumer credit cards are their bread and butter.

Online CountValentine

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Mar 2013
  • Posts: 16650
  • Total likes: 7482
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips -1
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
  • Location: Poland - Exiled
  • Programs: DAOTYA, DDF Level 3, 5K Lounge
Because the processing for credit cards and debit cards is the same.
You missed the point. You preach don't use a CC then want them to use a CC to pay for your course.  ::)
Link?
Search creditboards as I haven't posted in years.
Only on DDF does 24/6 mean 24/5/half/half

Offline etech0

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Dec 2013
  • Posts: 12921
  • Total likes: 3383
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
    • View Profile
  • Location: not lakewood
  • Programs: DDF
You missed the point. You preach don't use a CC then want them to use a CC to pay for your course.
It's their last chance to use it!
Workflowy. You won't know what you're missing until you try it.

Online CountValentine

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Mar 2013
  • Posts: 16650
  • Total likes: 7482
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips -1
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
  • Location: Poland - Exiled
  • Programs: DAOTYA, DDF Level 3, 5K Lounge
It's their last chance to use it!
With recurring monthly payments.  :)
Only on DDF does 24/6 mean 24/5/half/half

Online zh cohen

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Dec 2013
  • Posts: 1715
  • Total likes: 1685
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 1
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Location: 412
You missed the point. You preach don't use a CC then want them to use a CC to pay for your course. 

No, he wants them to use a Debit Card.

If you think his advice is bad go ahead and criticise it, but one thing he's not is inconsistent.

Offline moko

  • Dansdeals Presidential Platinum Elite
  • ********
  • Join Date: Jul 2011
  • Posts: 4703
  • Total likes: 1563
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 2
    • View Profile
  • Location: BOS
Yes and the truth about this snake oil salesman is well documented at creditboards.com
for accurate info, I always rely on the opposition for the most up-to-date and accurate information. Whenever I need to know why a specific liberal is problematic, I rely on Fox. For convervatives, I generally rely on MSNBC. You honestly expect to get accurate info from creditboards about someone who rails against credit all day??? Someone's been drinking the Kool aid.

Online CountValentine

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Mar 2013
  • Posts: 16650
  • Total likes: 7482
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips -1
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
  • Location: Poland - Exiled
  • Programs: DAOTYA, DDF Level 3, 5K Lounge
No, he wants them to use a Debit Card.

If you think his advice is bad go ahead and criticise it, but one thing he's not is inconsistent.
You don't give someone the option to use a CC when your main point is don't use CC's. You don't see the issue there?
Only on DDF does 24/6 mean 24/5/half/half

Offline 12HRS

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jun 2013
  • Posts: 5167
  • Total likes: 577
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 6
    • View Profile
You don't give someone the option to use a CC when your main point is don't use CC's. You don't see the issue there?

yes. now your turn, you honestly don't see why there would be a logical reason to accept CC?

Online CountValentine

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Mar 2013
  • Posts: 16650
  • Total likes: 7482
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips -1
  • Gender: Female
    • View Profile
  • Location: Poland - Exiled
  • Programs: DAOTYA, DDF Level 3, 5K Lounge
yes. now your turn, you honestly don't see why there would be a logical reason to accept CC?
Yes but his position was never ever use a CC. Now your turn.  :)
You see the problem?
Only on DDF does 24/6 mean 24/5/half/half

Offline 12HRS

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: Jun 2013
  • Posts: 5167
  • Total likes: 577
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 6
    • View Profile
Yes but his position was never ever use a CC. Now your turn.  :)
You see the problem?

how can he get someone with $0 dollars to their name into the class without accepting CC? sometimes you have to dig a bit of a deeper hole to find the tunnel