The science of COVID-19

[S209]

https://ggc-mauldin-images.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/pdf/TFTF_Jun_05_2020.pdf

Interesting DPs there.

Though a question that popped into my mind when he points out HK, is the face mask issue.

Many on these forums have said this repeatedly- reopen almost everything, just with masks. Though again, apparently Judaism is against mask wearing.

[Afrages6]

Many on these forums have said this repeatedly- reopen almost everything, just with masks. Though again, apparently Judaism is against mask wearing.

But herd immunity!

[ExGingi]

Many on these forums have said this repeatedly- reopen almost everything, just with masks. Though again, apparently Judaism is against mask wearing.

Judaism is only against mask wearing when it borders on idolatry.

IMHO we might have seen much greater mask compliance if reopening with masks was done sooner, and if good masks were regularly provided, as opposed to leaving us to being ripped off paying for junky masks, while still enduring a shutdown.

[S209]

Judaism is only against mask wearing when it borders on idolatry.

IMHO we might have seen much greater mask compliance if reopening with masks was done sooner, and if good masks were regularly provided, as opposed to leaving us to being ripped off paying for junky masks, while still enduring a shutdown.

You make good points, but if it’s the right thing to do then it should be mandated and I hope we would follow along

[Afrages6]

You make good points, but if it’s the right thing to do then it should be mandated and I hope we would follow along

As was mentioned either on this thread or another one. I do believe that the community has lost faith in the medical community. Certain doctors pushed their agendas too hard and were also found to be wrong too many times and that has a huge effect on the way people will look at doctors in the future.

[Euclid]

As was mentioned either on this thread or another one. I do believe that the community has lost faith in the medical community. Certain doctors pushed their agendas too hard and were also found to be wrong too many times and that has a huge effect on the way people will look at doctors in the future.

They're riding the current wave of contempt for the medical establishment; 75% of Lakewood is currently flouting the medical recommendation of social distancing and masks ("Corona is over").

Wouldn't shock me to see a non-zero amount of currently vaccinating parents to "switch sides". The 'blind' trust has been broken, it's a slippery slope for many people; hard for many who aren't educated to differentiate between the current Covid-19 state of "doctors don't know much" and all the other proven medical knowledge.

[ExGingi]

https://nypost.com/2020/04/27/ive-worked-the-coronavirus-front-line-and-i-say-its-time-to-start-opening-up/

Just saw this now. It's over a month old but has interesting observations (and not only from Williamsburg!).

[Barryg]

Does anyone know if this site or the article it's linked to is legit. https://www.globalresearch.ca/german-official-leaks-report-denouncing-corona-global-false-alarm/5714528
Specifically this line seems interesting to at least discuss at this point - I know, there were no masks/social distancing/lockdowns etc two years ago.
"Worldwide, within a quarter of a year, there has been no more than 250,000 deaths from Covid-19, compared to 1.5 million deaths [25,100 in Germany] during the influenza wave 2017/18."
Apparently it's not that easy to google "how many flu deaths were in 2017-2018 season" but were there anywhere close to 1.5 mm deaths? I know that worldwide Covid deaths are estimated at 400k now not 250k

[biobook]

from wikipedia:
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky

"... Centre for Research on Globalization (CRG), which publishes conspiracy theories.... In 2017, the Centre for Research on Globalization was accused by NATO information warfare specialists of playing a key role in the spread of pro-Russian propaganda.[6] The CRG was also accused of spreading Chinese propaganda"

Also, one source on the flu:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6815659/

Until recently, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimated the annual mortality burden of influenza to be 250 000 to 500 000 all-cause deaths globally; however, a 2017 study indicated a substantially higher mortality burden, at 290 000-650 000 influenza-associated deaths from respiratory causes alone, and a 2019 study estimated 99 000-200 000 deaths from lower respiratory tract infections directly caused by influenza.

[Barryg]

from wikipedia:
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky

"... Centre for Research on Globalization (CRG), which publishes conspiracy theories.... In 2017, the Centre for Research on Globalization was accused by NATO information warfare specialists of playing a key role in the spread of pro-Russian propaganda.[6] The CRG was also accused of spreading Chinese propaganda"

Also, one source on the flu:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6815659/

Until recently, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimated the annual mortality burden of influenza to be 250 000 to 500 000 all-cause deaths globally; however, a 2017 study indicated a substantially higher mortality burden, at 290 000-650 000 influenza-associated deaths from respiratory causes alone, and a 2019 study estimated 99 000-200 000 deaths from lower respiratory tract infections directly caused by influenza.

Thanks for looking those things up. Q- why is so hard (for me) to find flu death numbers? Also, the 2017 study was before/during the 2017-2018 flu season and only includes deaths from respiratory causes alone.

[biobook]

I just googled influenza deaths 2017-2018 or something like that.  After reading a few links, I see that the CDC keeps records of US flu deaths, and the WHO keeps records internationally.

The CDC describes how they get these records, and you can see that they're estimates.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2017-2018.htm

It looks like the WHO data may not be complete for that year, but it has Northern hemisphere:

https://www.who.int/influenza/surveillance_monitoring/updates/GIP_surveillance_summary_reviews_archives/en/

[Barryg]

I just googled influenza deaths 2017-2018 or something like that.  After reading a few links, I see that the CDC keeps records of US flu deaths, and the WHO keeps records internationally.

The CDC describes how they get these records, and you can see that they're estimates.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2017-2018.htm

It looks like the WHO data may not be complete for that year, but it has Northern hemisphere:

https://www.who.int/influenza/surveillance_monitoring/updates/GIP_surveillance_summary_reviews_archives/en/

Maybe because it's late, but I'm having a hard time finding the numbers. Either way doesn't look like 1.5 million worldwide.

[Barryg]

https://m.jpost.com/health-science/people-with-blood-type-o-are-more-protected-against-covid-19-studies-show-631502

[ExGingi]

https://m.jpost.com/health-science/people-with-blood-type-o-are-more-protected-against-covid-19-studies-show-631502

I seem to recall that early on there was some chatter about blood type, and then it was laid to rest. Now it's being revived again? Hey, if blood type O along with antibodies will get me into TLV without quarantine, I'm all for it.

[Barryg]

I seem to recall that early on there was some chatter about blood type, and then it was laid to rest. Now it's being revived again? Hey, if blood type O along with antibodies will get me into TLV without quarantine, I'm all for it.

hatzlacha
Time to find out my blood type...

[PlatinumGuy]

https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.24.2001031

Stored blood samples in North Italy from Feb 12 show antibodies, since they take 14+ days from infection so we now know the large Italian wave actually started in January, and it takes a while for it to become noticeable.

[Ergel]

https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.24.2001031

Stored blood samples in North Italy from Feb 12 show antibodies, since they take 14+ days from infection so we now know the large Italian wave actually started in January, and it takes a while for it to become noticeable.

And the percentages are pretty high - 5 samples from Feb 12. And 28% of the samples they tested.


I mentioned this to a doctor friend in Israel - but (almost) everyone I know got a really bad case of the flu this past winter. What if that was really Covid-19 before we knew about it?

[Dan]

I mentioned this to a doctor friend in Israel - but (almost) everyone I know got a really bad case of the flu this past winter. What if that was really Covid-19 before we knew about it?

Take the antibody test?

[S209]

And the percentages are pretty high - 5 samples from Feb 12. And 28% of the samples they tested.


I mentioned this to a doctor friend in Israel - but (almost) everyone I know got a really bad case of the flu this past winter. What if that was really Covid-19 before we knew about it?

This has been theorized before but why weren’t people dying disproportionately?

[PlatinumGuy]

Many very large studies show high quality antibodies tests to be nearly 100% reliable. There are extremely few known COVID cases that did not develop antibodies