The science of COVID-19

[ari3]

African Americans have a high death rate, as noted in the NY Times article. 
A local,  hospital based physician noted that this applies to Hispanics, too.  Although it may be the drinkers of their group who are going quickly and younger.

They have a higher rate of the underlying illnesses that are risk factors for corona like diabetes and heart disease.

They also don't seem to take the social distancing as seriously (based on the number of violations reported in Newark and some news stories about the outreach some are doing to convince them to social distance).

[Lurker]

They also don't seem to take the social distancing as seriously (based on the number of violations reported in Newark and some news stories about the outreach some are doing to convince them to social distance).

Sorry, I'm calling this out. We can't complain about anti-Semites projecting the actions of individuals on all Jews if we're going to turn around and do it to others. Play by our own rules.

[ckmk47]

Sorry, I'm calling this out. We can't complain about anti-Semites projecting the actions of individuals on all Jews if we're going to turn around and do it to others. Play by our own rules.

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We’re talking generalities.  Not saying ALL are doing it. Just that such behavior by some, lead to a measurable outcome for the group.

[Lurker]

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We’re talking generalities.  Not saying ALL are doing it. Just that such behavior by some, lead to a measurable outcome for the group.

Orthodox Jews have a higher infection rate because they ignore social distancing measures (based on the number of calls to the police and news stories about shuls and schools being open).

How do you like me now?

[aygart]

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We’re talking generalities.  Not saying ALL are doing it. Just that such behavior by some lead to a measurable outcome for the group.

Right, but the anti-semetism thread is also make generalities and is full of everyone calling these generalities anti-semetism. If someone makes such generalities about BP, Williamsburg, Lakewood, Monsey, KJ etc is that

Not saying ALL are doing it. Just that such behavior by some lead to a measurable outcome for the group.

[ckmk47]

Right, but the anti-semetism thread is also make generalities and is full of everyone calling these generalities anti-semetism. If someone makes such generalities about BP, Williamsburg, Lakewood, Monsey, KJ etc is that

I didn’t read that thread.  But saying that all Jews do something and therefore all Jews are liable in some way, is not the same as saying that a certain population are more likely to do something and therefore individuals within that group are more likely to have a certain outcome.

[aygart]

I didn’t read that thread.  But saying that all Jews do something and therefore all Jews are liable in some way, is not the same as saying that a certain population are more likely to do something and therefore individuals within that group are more likely to have a certain outcome.

But generalizing based on anecdotes from a small percentage and therefore saying African Americans are generally not listening as well is called bigotry.

[grodnoking]

African Americans have a high death rate, as noted in the NY Times article. 
A local,  hospital based physician noted that this applies to Hispanics, too.  Although it may be the drinkers of their group who are going quickly and younger.

It has nothing to do with how they live or the poverty rates in their communities and lack of good hospitals.

The virus is racist.

[aygart]

[Moshe123]

What is the presumption based on?

Neither I nor anyone in my family has had any symptoms. Same for many in my community.

Presumption based on symptoms

[ari3]

Sorry, I'm calling this out. We can't complain about anti-Semites projecting the actions of individuals on all Jews if we're going to turn around and do it to others. Play by our own rules.

https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/04/hundreds-have-ignored-stay-at-home-orders-in-newark-heres-why-the-stakes-are-so-high-there.html
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/04/cops-closed-44-businesses-cited-842-people-for-violating-coronavirus-lockdown-in-newark-in-1-week.html
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/03/newark-cops-shut-down-15-businesses-ticketed-161-people-in-1-night-for-coronavirus-lockdown-violations.html
https://www.phillytrib.com/news/health/coronavirus/thursday-coronavirus-update-survey-shows-blacks-less-likely-to-practice-social-distancing-more-blacks-dying/article_ae5a8dad-41f5-5241-8dab-1185b5263718.html
https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/06/flying-blind-african-americans-disparities-covid-19-data-limited/

The surgeon general who is African American has implied this as well.

I'm not discriminating against anyone. I am giving an answer to a question asked.

[Lurker]

The surgeon general who is African American has implied this as well.

I'm not discriminating against anyone. I am giving an answer to a question asked.

"Well, my lawyer is Jewish and he said it himself. I'm not racist or discriminating, I'm just answering a question."

Rule of thumb: if you can't interchange "x" race with "Jews" and not get offended, you probably shouldn't say it.

[Yehuda57]

They have a higher rate of the underlying illnesses that are risk factors for corona like diabetes and heart disease.

They also don't seem to take the social distancing as seriously (based on the number of violations reported in Newark and some news stories about the outreach some are doing to convince them to social distance).

I'm not discriminating against anyone. I am giving an answer to a question asked.

Are you really saying that African Americans and Hispanics are not taking social distancing seriously because of Newark?

"Jews aren't taking social distancing seriously because the place with the highest number of complaints in NYC is 770"

[CountValentine]

Rule of thumb: if you can't interchange "x" race with "Jews" and not get offended, you probably shouldn't say it.

Except when facts matter.
Blacks are more likely to have hypertension.

[AsherO]

Except when facts matter.
Blacks are more likely to have hypertension.

Socioeconomics is a factor in that, and is probably a factor for other reasons as well in the prevalence of COVID-19 in (some sectors of?) the African American community.

For example: It cost more, and requires more planning, to strictly self-quarantine at home and order everything to be delivered. It’s also easier to do so if you have a bigger home with more creature comforts and variety of entertainment to keep your kids from climbing the walls. Housing density is a factor too.

It’s also possible that “essential” risky jobs are also more prevalent at the bottom of the socioeconomic totem pole.

[Lurker]

Except when facts matter.
Blacks are more likely to have hypertension.

No "except" about it. It fits the rule perfectly.

The statement, "Jews are more likely to have 'x' disease or illness," doesn't offend me. Cuz science.

ETA: I'd tread lightly when trying to give a reason for that scientific fact, though, and make sure it's as firmly backed by facts as the statement itself.

[aygart]

To say African Americans have a higher rate of death from drugs (no idea if true) because "thye do more drugs" is racist.

To say African Americans have a higher rate of death from drugs because they have a higher rate of people doing drugs (if true) is science.

To say African Americans have a higher rate of death from drugs because their DNA makes them more susceptible to some risk factors (if true) is science.

[AsherO]

To say African Americans have a higher rate of death from drugs (no idea if true) because "thye do more drugs" is racist.

To say African Americans have a higher rate of death from drugs because they have a higher rate of people doing drugs (if true) is science.

To say African Americans have a higher rate of death from drugs because their DNA makes them more susceptible to some risk factors (if true) is science.

Is this (whether a statement is racist or not) a matter of semantics? Motive?

[CountValentine]

No "except" about it. It fits the rule perfectly.

The statement, "Jews are more likely to have 'x' disease or illness," doesn't offend me. Cuz science.

ETA: I'd tread lightly when trying to give a reason for that scientific fact, though, and make sure it's as firmly backed by facts as the statement itself.

Jews are more likely to have hypertension.
That is not science or fact.

[CountValentine]

Motive?

The difference between being a racist or not.