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Re: Long Term Effects of COVID-19
« Reply #255 on: April 07, 2021, 05:50:35 PM »
Confidence Intervals?  Someone here knows statistics, maybe they can explain.  Maybe  @Chaimel6  or @skyguy918
Don't know why I'm tagged here either, but '1∑44, 95% CI 1∑40Ė1∑47' means that the best guess for the true hazard ratio is 1:44. But there may be only a 50% chance that that exact value is the correct one. Confidence intervals give you a range in which the true value is likely to fall. So here there's a 95% chance that the true value falls between 1:40 and 1:47.

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Re: Long Term Effects of COVID-19
« Reply #256 on: April 07, 2021, 05:56:37 PM »
Don't know why I'm tagged here either,

and then goes on to explain the statistics.
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Re: Long Term Effects of COVID-19
« Reply #257 on: April 07, 2021, 06:01:44 PM »
not sure why I am tagged here.

Experience reading studies?
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Re: Long Term Effects of COVID-19
« Reply #258 on: April 07, 2021, 06:49:22 PM »
Experience reading studies?
That does not mean that I will know anything and everything in these studies, but I now understand why you would tag me.
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Re: Long Term Effects of COVID-19
« Reply #259 on: April 07, 2021, 08:16:52 PM »
Don't know why I'm tagged here either, but '1∑44, 95% CI 1∑40Ė1∑47' means that the best guess for the true hazard ratio is 1:44. But there may be only a 50% chance that that exact value is the correct one. Confidence intervals give you a range in which the true value is likely to fall. So here there's a 95% chance that the true value falls between 1:40 and 1:47.

Could you explain what those ratios represent here, practically speaking?
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Re: Long Term Effects of COVID-19
« Reply #260 on: April 07, 2021, 08:29:29 PM »
Could you explain what those ratios represent here, practically speaking?
Not really. But wiki says:
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In its simplest form, the hazard ratio can be interpreted as the chance of an event occurring in the treatment arm divided by the chance of the event occurring in the control arm, or vice versa, of a study.

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Re: Long Term Effects of COVID-19
« Reply #261 on: April 07, 2021, 08:33:03 PM »
This ∑ means ratio? Never understood how to interpret the two numbers and then the CI numbers in parenthesis. IIRC I read up on it and for a moment thought I understood what CI meant.

No itís a decimal.

6 month numbers are 31.7% for non-hospitalized patients, and 38.7% for hospitalized. Both are very high but the non-hospitalized number is shocking. The number in the parentheses is the range within the margin of error.

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Re: Long Term Effects of COVID-19
« Reply #262 on: April 07, 2021, 09:58:52 PM »
No itís a decimal.

6 month numbers are 31.7% for non-hospitalized patients, and 38.7% for hospitalized. Both are very high but the non-hospitalized number is shocking. The number in the parentheses is the range within the margin of error.

Thatís a funny period. Wondering if they report broken down numbers that are significant, e.g. the vast majority might be anxiety, depression (potentially PTSD) and/or insomnia.

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Re: Long Term Effects of COVID-19
« Reply #264 on: April 09, 2021, 09:51:33 AM »
Curious as to how these numbers compare to survivors of any other acute life threatening situation. Also, is there any indication that there is some organic component to this or is this simply a result of the trauma of contracting a life threatening illness during a global pandemic.   
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Re: Long Term Effects of COVID-19
« Reply #265 on: April 09, 2021, 09:54:25 AM »
Curious as to how these numbers compare to survivors of any other acute life threatening situation. Also, is there any indication that there is some organic component to this or is this simply a result of the trauma of contracting a life threatening illness during a global pandemic.
This, and how many people who didn't get covid are suffering the same trauma.
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Re: Long Term Effects of COVID-19
« Reply #266 on: April 09, 2021, 09:56:26 AM »
This, and how many people who didn't get covid are suffering the same trauma.

People who didn't get Covid are seeing an increase in strokes?  ???
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Re: Long Term Effects of COVID-19
« Reply #267 on: April 09, 2021, 10:03:54 AM »
People who didn't get Covid are seeing an increase in strokes?  ???
"Six months after being diagnosed with Covid-19, 1 in 3 patients also had experienced a psychiatric or neurological illness, mostly mood disorders but also strokes or dementia, a large new study shows."
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Re: Long Term Effects of COVID-19
« Reply #268 on: April 09, 2021, 10:15:43 AM »
"Six months after being diagnosed with Covid-19, 1 in 3 patients also had experienced a psychiatric or neurological illness, mostly mood disorders but also strokes or dementia, a large new study shows."

I read it, just wondering why you were ignoring the non-mood issues. And to answer your specific point, the control group also lived in the Covid era, unless they took their control numbers from pre-Covid times (which I don't know).
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Re: Long Term Effects of COVID-19
« Reply #269 on: April 09, 2021, 10:38:59 AM »
I read it, just wondering why you were ignoring the non-mood issues. And to answer your specific point, the control group also lived in the Covid era, unless they took their control numbers from pre-Covid times (which I don't know).
I'm not saying there are no long term effects, I'm opening up the possibility that a large amount of the increase is not directly caused by covid.
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