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Re: Long Term Effects of COVID-19
« Reply #270 on: April 09, 2021, 11:30:34 AM »
I freely admit that I didn't look at one bit of the data and I probably wouldn't know what I was reading if I did, but if you live in a high density frum community the likelihood is that most of your relatives, friends and fellow mispallilim had covid. Even allowing for the typical secrecy associated with mental illness in the frum community, I find it extremely unlikely that 30% of the people around us are suddenly silently suffering from various forms of mental illness and we don't see any hints of it.   
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Re: Long Term Effects of COVID-19
« Reply #271 on: April 09, 2021, 11:51:12 AM »
I freely admit that I didn't look at one bit of the data and I probably wouldn't know what I was reading if I did, but if you live in a high density frum community the likelihood is that most of your relatives, friends and fellow mispallilim had covid. Even allowing for the typical secrecy associated with mental illness in the frum community, I find it extremely unlikely that 30% of the people around us are suddenly silently suffering from various forms of mental illness and we don't see any hints of it.

First, you have no clue what anyone else happens to be going through. Davening next to someone will tell you how tall he is, the color of his hair, and maybe if he showered that morning. It doesn't tell you a single thing about what's going on inside his head. Second, the study was about diagnoses of neurological or psychiatric disorders, with almost a quarter of a million people studied. The first time I heard of possible neurological issues post-Covid was here, about an otherwise healthy man from Lakewood having a stroke a few months after having had Covid.
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Re: Long Term Effects of COVID-19
« Reply #274 on: May 02, 2021, 11:38:20 AM »
This is gonna need its own thread...
Was posted here a couple of month ago, I believe.

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Re: Long Term Effects of COVID-19
« Reply #275 on: May 05, 2021, 02:51:43 AM »
A perfectly healthy relative of mine in his mid twenties had Corona twice and some post corona symptoms. Finally got a brain MRI which showed an edema in the mesencephalon, was immediately rushed to the hospital and is being prepped now for a needle biopsy to be potentially done later today.

The cause can be bacteria/viral infection, autoimmune response, or ch’v worse and the only way to diagnose it is by extracting tissue in a complicated procedure.

Bh top doctors are on the case, but from what I hear this is a somewhat known covid related phenomenon, so if anybody has more info on that angle please let me know.
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Re: Long Term Effects of COVID-19
« Reply #276 on: May 05, 2021, 07:57:00 AM »
A perfectly healthy relative of mine in his mid twenties had Corona twice and some post corona symptoms. Finally got a brain MRI which showed an edema in the mesencephalon, was immediately rushed to the hospital and is being prepped now for a needle biopsy to be potentially done later today.

The cause can be bacteria/viral infection, autoimmune response, or ch’v worse and the only way to diagnose it is by extracting tissue in a complicated procedure.

Bh top doctors are on the case, but from what I hear this is a somewhat known covid related phenomenon, so if anybody has more info on that angle please let me know.

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Re: Long Term Effects of COVID-19
« Reply #277 on: May 05, 2021, 09:22:25 AM »
A perfectly healthy relative of mine in his mid twenties had Corona twice and some post corona symptoms. Finally got a brain MRI which showed an edema in the mesencephalon, was immediately rushed to the hospital and is being prepped now for a needle biopsy to be potentially done later today.

The cause can be bacteria/viral infection, autoimmune response, or ch’v worse and the only way to diagnose it is by extracting tissue in a complicated procedure.

Bh top doctors are on the case, but from what I hear this is a somewhat known covid related phenomenon, so if anybody has more info on that angle please let me know.
It's known that covid can affect the nervous system, including causing encephalitis.  It looks like they're at the stage of collecting cases to see how frequently the different neurological conditions occur, and figuring out whether the symptoms are due to the virus entering the brain or are caused indirectly by the processes induced by the virus elsewhere in the body.  It could be that when it comes to treatment, though, the involvement of covid is less relevant, and they would just treat it as they would have done if they'd found those symptoms pre-covid.

Here are some reviews in user-friendly and medical literature:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/covid-19-brain-neurological-issues_l_5fd1248ac5b61d81b33b7d78
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/covid-19s-effects-on-the-brain-68369

https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/223/1/28/5912547?login=true
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/nan.12667

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Re: Long Term Effects of COVID-19
« Reply #278 on: May 05, 2021, 09:34:25 AM »
It's known that covid can affect the nervous system, including causing encephalitis.  It looks like they're at the stage of collecting cases to see how frequently the different neurological conditions occur, and figuring out whether the symptoms are due to the virus entering the brain or are caused indirectly by the processes induced by the virus elsewhere in the body.  It could be that when it comes to treatment, though, the involvement of covid is less relevant, and they would just treat it as they would have done if they'd found those symptoms pre-covid.

Here are some reviews in user-friendly and medical literature:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/covid-19-brain-neurological-issues_l_5fd1248ac5b61d81b33b7d78
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/covid-19s-effects-on-the-brain-68369

https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/223/1/28/5912547?login=true
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/nan.12667
Many thanks!!!

The main difference in how prevalent this is as a Covid outcome is in deciding whether or not to take a biopsy, since the procedure is kind of brain surgery. If we knew the odds of it being caused by Covid are high, we could possibly hope for that and push off the biopsy intended to diagnose the worse explanations. Alas, the doctors unanimously agreed the biopsy is needed ASAP and we are only waiting for an OR. Hopefully it will end up being in vain.
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Re: Long Term Effects of COVID-19
« Reply #279 on: May 05, 2021, 09:37:13 AM »
Hopefully it will end up being in vain.

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Re: Long Term Effects of COVID-19
« Reply #280 on: May 05, 2021, 09:37:23 AM »
Many thanks!!!

The main difference in how prevalent this is a Covid outcome is in deciding whether or not to take a biopsy, since the procedure is kind of brain surgery. If we knew the odds of it being caused by Covid are high, we could possibly hope for that and push off the biopsy intended to diagnose the worse explanations. Alas, the doctors unanimously agreed the biopsy is needed ASAP and we are only waiting for an OR. Hopefully it will end up being in vain.

Does the fact that it’s caused by COVID preclude those more serious ch”v conditions that’s that they biopsy for?

Wouldn’t that be an unknown, or is it too soon for that type of thing to develop?

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Re: Long Term Effects of COVID-19
« Reply #281 on: May 05, 2021, 09:39:15 AM »
Does the fact that it’s caused by COVID preclude those more serious ch”v conditions that’s that they biopsy for?
I certainly hope so...

Personally, I'm afraid the bigger problem affected his immune system which is how he got Covid twice.
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Re: Long Term Effects of COVID-19
« Reply #282 on: May 05, 2021, 09:47:22 AM »
Personally, I'm afraid the bigger problem affected his immune system which is how he got Covid twice.

That reasoning would favor a biopsy regardless of post-COVID’s potential neurological manifestations

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Re: Long Term Effects of COVID-19
« Reply #283 on: May 05, 2021, 09:52:43 AM »
That reasoning would favor a biopsy regardless of post-COVID’s potential neurological manifestations
I haven't seen any reports of Covid causing cancer, so my guess is that would be unlikely enough not to justify the invasive needle biopsy. Anyways the conversation is moot as the doctors are all in one opinion and the procedure is already underway or beginning any minute (was delayed by a helicopter bringing in a trauma patient who took the OR), so we'll be much smarter in a few days.
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Re: Long Term Effects of COVID-19
« Reply #284 on: May 05, 2021, 10:03:11 AM »
I haven't seen any reports of Covid causing cancer, so my guess is that would be unlikely enough not to justify the invasive needle biopsy. Anyways the conversation is moot as the doctors are all in one opinion and the procedure is already underway or beginning any minute (was delayed by a helicopter bringing in a trauma patient who took the OR), so we'll be much smarter in a few days.

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