Government Seizing Property During Covid-19

[simple26]

I have seen reports in FL, IL, CA and OH also. 


Now chill as it was sarcasm.

Thanks for posting that was my question if anyone saw any other reporting

[KSMH]

...and just like the African Americans have your facts right because crying wolf does tremendous harm.

When the facts are on my side it's not called crying wolfe.

People in jewish areas (Ocean County and Rockland County in particular) feel targeted in many ways. I am not saying all feel targeted but many I know do. This does not happen from nowhere, it takes time for people to start feeling targeted.

If you want some actual stories I'll be more then happy to share, there is no shortage.

[CountValentine]

When the facts are on my side it's not called crying wolfe.

People in jewish areas (Ocean County and Rockland County in particular) feel targeted in many ways. I am not saying all feel targeted but many I know do. This does not happen from nowhere, it takes time for people to start feeling targeted.

If you want some actual stories I'll be more then happy to share, there is no shortage.

I have seen the stories.

[CountValentine]

Thanks for posting that was my question if anyone saw any other reporting

I was joking (FL,IL,CA,OH). All have Jewish concentrations. 

[simple26]

I was joking (FL,IL,CA,OH). All have Jewish concentrations.

come on !
Has anyone seen any reporting of FBI etc raids besides the few local ones ?

[KSMH]

I have seen the stories.

Stories not necessarily related to covid-19.

Most stories don't make it to the news. There is no shortage of blatant discrimination by government in the above mentioned areas.

People will usually not sue, only when there is money to be made, hence the many lawsuits regarding property.

[KSMH]

1. The Coronavirus is the exigent circumstance.

2. The DPA is a federal law authorized by congress to allow the President to commandeer certain civilian resources during a time of emergency. It has nothing to do with a local governor issuing an executive order.

3. A Judge issues a warrant based on a stare or federal law upon presentation of an affidavit by a member of law enforcement that a crime has been committed. Unless you are aware that having these items is a crime or that they are being seized because they are evidence of a crime that would be entirely inapplicable.

4. I don't live in NJ, but I searched NJ executive orders on line and found this language

That was in https://nj.gov/infobank/eo/056murphy/pdf/EO-113.pdf which is Executive Order 113 -Governor Murphy Signs Executive Order Authorizing Commandeering of Property Such as Medical Supplies.

1.https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/exigent_circumstances “Courts will typically look at the time when the officer makes the warrantless search or seizure to evaluate whether at that point in time a reasonable officer at the scene would believe it is urgent to act and impractical to secure a warrant.” The FBI can surround the property to make sure nothing leaves it, and stop a vehicle if it does, and secure a warrant in a reasonable time.

2.Correct, and it allows the federal government to take possession of goods.

3.A warrant gives the government authority to enter property, usually in regards to a crime. In this case it would be to retrieve property the federal government believes it has a right to possess.

4..I read this EO, on a NJ level and Federal level they can take possession of the property. They still need a warrant.

He cited case law. What about you?

What case law.

[moko]

(FL,IL,CA,OH). All have Jewish concentrations.

i'm not getting involved in the content of this thread but wanted to explain some population numbers.
not nearly as concentrated as NY/NJ. Based of a stint publishing and delivering a weekly in the Kensington neighborhood of Brooklyn these are my anecdotal numbers. One city block often had 200 families, all Orthodox, about 4500 households in a relatively small area of Brooklyn- Other publications claimed that Boro Park had 40000  orthodox households. That doesn't include Crown Heights, Midwood, Williamsburg, and the dozen other small orthodox neighborhoods.
Compared to the block I grew up on in Chicago which had about 40 families total and only 8 Jewish families. Recently I was working on some community info in Boston and a colleague in Chicago who had worked on a similar project claimed the total number of orthodox households to be in the 3000 - 3500 range.
Again, anecdotal, but a huge disparity nonetheless.

The numbers are genuinely crazy...

[aygart]

What case law.

Fletcher v. Maupin, 129 F.2d 46 (D.C. Cir. 1942)

The power to requisition private property for war purposes is an essential attribute of sovereignty. 67 C.J., 373. Although broader than the peace-time power of eminent domain in that it is not subject to the constitutional inhibition against taking property without compensation, its exercise implies a contract to reimburse the owner.

Some interesting historical context

https://ago.mo.gov/docs/default-source/opinions/1945/061_1945_0502_Metzger_George.pdf

[KSMH]

No one is denying they can take the property but the way it's supposed to work, is by calling the individual asking to purchase it and if there is no agreement they can seize the property. 

I don't think it makes sense to just show up with a few tractor trailers with dozens of FBI agents,

They can always place a unmarked car outside the location where its being held and see if its leaving.

[flyingace]

No one is denying they can take the property but the way it's supposed to work, is by calling the individual asking to purchase it and if there is no agreement they can seize the property. 

I don't think it makes sense to just show up with a few tractor trailers with dozens of FBI agents,

They can always place a unmarked car outside the location where its being held and see if its leaving.

Exactly. Why wouldn't the Office of Emergency  Management  just make a phone call instead of 40 agents with guns etc? I'm beginning to think those who are calling this a police state are right. These guys are getting a thrill throwing their weight around.

[shapsam]

Exactly. Why wouldn't the Office of Emergency  Management  just make a phone call instead of 40 agents with guns etc? I'm beginning to think those who are calling this a police state are right. These guys are getting a thrill throwing their weight around.

Same thing when they came into yeshivas with tactical gear and long guns, helicopters above, scared the kids to death, to pick up some documents. Crazy.

[KSMH]

Apparently they found a warehouse in LKWD with some supplieds and they unloaded 4 tractor trailers.
Any1 with more info?

[yaakovely]

If u have first hand info, I'll divert to you.
Now a question arises, based on what facts did they get a warrant? I hope no one is that stupid.

The FBI claimed to have received an anonymous tip that the warehouse had stolen goods. That is what I will start and end with.

[yaakovely]

If comments related to an article about Orthodox Jews contains 100's of negative comments, some from officials, a person can only speculate that some in the local FBI office share the same sentiment. This leads to direct targeting of orthodox jews.

It'll take a few years and expect to see lawsuits regarding targeting of orthodox jews when it comes to enforcement of laws (just like african americans).

Definitely right about the first part, in regards to the second part of your statement I am afraid that it will not happen even though it should. I have a lot to say but I'll keep it off the forums.

[yaakov35]

I'm curious if they tried "shopping" anywhere else besides for BP or Lakewood... It was the same FBI office by the way.

You think anyone else in the world is anywhere near as involved in masks and medical supplies like frum people? Because you would be wrong.

[KSMH]

They claimed to have received an anonymous tip that the warehouse had stolen goods. That is what I will start and end with.

Definitely right about the first part, in regards to the second part of your statement I am afraid that it will not happen even though it should. I have a lot to say but I'll keep it off the forums.

Can u pm me details.

[yaakov35]

Can u pm me details.

+1

[yaakovely]

Can u pm me details.

I unfortunately cannot. If there is a specific need to know more information, you can pm me and I will give you my phone number.

[KSMH]

I unfortunately cannot. If there is a specific need to know more information, you can pm me and I will give you my phone number.

Fortunately I dont have a specific need to know.

Thanx for keeping us informed as much as you can.