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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #60 on: April 23, 2020, 12:21:52 AM »
To put it at 50/50 is completely wrong, ive been here for close to 10 years now and definitely the majority pay on time and pay arnona, vad bayis etc.
On a side note if you deal with 29 apartments its very possible that you are a so called broker which a majority of them aren't honest (i wouldn't know about you obviously.) But if you feel like 50% are not ok as said maybe find another clientele

I'm a manager for an family office CRE company, I help manage the luxury assets in the Jerusalem Chareidi submarket, due to background with this clientele.  I am not a broker and don't see why a broker would care about this. Most apartments are in the new development's that have sprung up in the past few years in the northern neighborhoods. A few are in Rechavia. A full 50% of these clients are not committed to honoring exact lease terms and agreements. They sublease for Sukkos even though we don't allow, and a whole host of other issues regarding damages when the leave the apartments.

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #61 on: April 23, 2020, 12:22:32 AM »
Why not throw the couples personal stuff out of the apartment and rent it the apartment to a local now?

It's very tough to find locals who pay the asking rents on these units.

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #62 on: April 23, 2020, 12:23:52 AM »
Anyone in Israel who rented a place has a year+ Visa which would allow them to return regardless of being a full citizen. Therefore these people are choosing to stay home and not come back hence they are breaking the law and the Baal dira can do what he likes.

Halevai. But student visas cannot enter.

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #63 on: April 23, 2020, 12:26:12 AM »
So, I guess you don't have an answer to the question.

Actually I have no clue what you are asking me. Who told me what?

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #64 on: April 23, 2020, 12:26:26 AM »
It's very tough to find locals who pay the asking rents on these units.

This compensates for

A full 50% of these clients are not committed to honoring exact lease terms and agreements. They sublease for Sukkos even though we don't allow, and a whole host of other issues regarding damages when the leave the apartments.

Just like high rates and fees compensate for credit losses on subprime borrowers.
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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #65 on: April 23, 2020, 12:26:47 AM »
Halevai. But student visas cannot enter.

Unless they have a place to quarantine.

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #66 on: April 23, 2020, 12:28:16 AM »


What kind of Visa do they have while living in Israel?

 I doubt they wouldn't be allowed back to where they live, just because they are non-citizens.

Thats precisely who they aren't letting in.

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #67 on: April 23, 2020, 12:28:34 AM »
Unless they have a place to quarantine.

Can you send me a link please to that info?

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #68 on: April 23, 2020, 12:29:10 AM »
Halevai. But student visas cannot enter.

What ever happened to Israeli SOP of providing head checks for entire lease period along with security checks?
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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #69 on: April 23, 2020, 12:29:27 AM »
It's very tough to find locals who pay the asking rents on these units.
It might incentive the Americans to pay their rent. Why store their stuff for free?

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #70 on: April 23, 2020, 12:31:20 AM »

Thats precisely who they aren't letting in.

https://il.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information/

If they are on student visas they would not be allowed in. But if they are on resident visas I would guess they would be allowed back in.
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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #71 on: April 23, 2020, 12:31:23 AM »
Halevai. But student visas cannot enter.

That’s why a general psak is confusing, did they give up the lease or didn’t they?
Are they allowed to come back or not?
Who’s name is on the lease? If it’s the parents, than we can argue that their children living there were somewhat of a sublease, and we can tell the parents to find someone else to put in there, but they have to pay anyway.

I’m not a dayan but these could be valid differences.

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #72 on: April 23, 2020, 12:31:34 AM »
This compensates for

Just like high rates and fees compensate for credit losses on subprime borrowers.

No, it's the nature of the market. A survey by the developer of Tnuva for example found that less of 15% of the residents are Israelis (though I'm sure Israeli ownership is probably closer to 50%)

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #73 on: April 23, 2020, 12:31:57 AM »
Unless they have a place to quarantine.
Fake news? Whens the last time you read up on this.
Population Authority: Following the Ministry of Health’s recommendations, beginning today, foreign nationals will no longer be allowed entry into Israel, even if they have demonstrated their ability to enter home quarantine upon arrival. ​

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #74 on: April 23, 2020, 12:33:08 AM »
No, it's the nature of the market. A survey by the developer of Tnuva for example found that less of 15% of the residents are Israelis (though I'm sure Israeli ownership is probably closer to 50%)

I was referring to the high rents.
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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #75 on: April 23, 2020, 12:33:14 AM »
What ever happened to Israeli SOP of providing head checks for entire lease period along with security checks?

We do that with Israelis. But these Americans don't have Israeli bank accounts (as rent is paid in the USA) and are not agreeable to the practice as it's not common to them.

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #76 on: April 23, 2020, 12:34:41 AM »
We do that with Israelis. But these Americans don't have Israeli bank accounts (as rent is paid in the USA) and are not agreeable to the practice as it's not common to them.

Hence

I was referring to the high rents.

And those are just like the high APR charged to subprime borrowers. It compensates for the risk and the personalities of 50% of your renters. Some people would rather take lower rental income and have solid tenants, while others would rather take the high rents and deal with turnover, tenants that disregard lease terms, etc.
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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #77 on: April 23, 2020, 12:34:50 AM »


https://il.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information/

But if they are on resident visas I would guess they would be allowed back in.

Incorrect again. You need to apply to be allowed in. And if atleast one of them isn't Israeli, they are not letting.

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #78 on: April 23, 2020, 12:35:35 AM »
I have 29 apartments in all different sizes. I would say its 50/50 good couples bad couples, not a small minority.

You should rent me one ;) I have an Israeli passport ;)

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #79 on: April 23, 2020, 12:36:02 AM »
So, I guess you don't have an answer to the question.

Mature, aren't we? You sound exactly like the entitled brats OP is referring to...