Author Topic: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments  (Read 32138 times)

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #140 on: April 23, 2020, 09:50:14 AM »
So I'm gonna be selling some Ben Barber linen and Bed Bath & Beyond towels and Mckenzies Childs (yoish) stuff for a few Shekels...
pls give first dibs to ddf'ers

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #141 on: April 23, 2020, 10:02:46 AM »
Israeli. This is an Israeli company.  I can't post a lease as it's way to revealing (as if I totally didn't give myself away here by now)
yes you did
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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #142 on: April 23, 2020, 10:06:32 AM »
That's precisely my point. As far as I can tell, nobody I know has even bothered trying at all, and instead skip straight to the "borders are closed" argument. I literally don't know of one single person that has tried and was denied. No data points at all... which is quite strange.
my sister went on monday

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #143 on: April 23, 2020, 10:07:54 AM »
my sister went on monday
And what happened?

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #144 on: April 23, 2020, 10:10:04 AM »
And what happened?
shes in some hotel

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #145 on: April 23, 2020, 10:13:58 AM »
shes in some hotel

What kind of citizenship or visa?

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #146 on: April 23, 2020, 10:14:21 AM »
a2

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #147 on: April 23, 2020, 10:15:39 AM »
a2

Amazing. Can you find out what the process was?

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #149 on: April 23, 2020, 10:34:14 AM »
So if you commit a crime and the government puts you in jail, you’re also magically exempt from rent because “the guv’mint won’t let me”?

Your stupidity and irresponsibility doesn’t make your responsibilities magically go away. You put your signature on a contract, you are bound by that contact, according to law AND halacha (unless a COMPETENT lawyer and/or Rav tells you otherwise). End of story.
i quoted what I heard from a friend no need to go personal here. And I think there’s a difference when the government issues a blanket no entry. Again AYLOR

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #150 on: April 23, 2020, 10:35:30 AM »
my sister went on monday

Any Israeli relatives? How long did it take to receive approval?

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #151 on: April 23, 2020, 10:40:14 AM »
no need to go personal here.
Read his comment again, dont think he meant anything personal at all.

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #152 on: April 23, 2020, 10:42:00 AM »
Its a safek, so you can't "collect".

Whatever you have possession of now is what you're left with. So landlords are left with towels, and tenants are left with their money.
if I’m reading correctly the rav you asked paskened that you cannot be moitzy the money here all safek, am I correct?

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #153 on: April 23, 2020, 10:59:36 AM »
you are bound by that contact, according to law AND halacha (unless a COMPETENT lawyer and/or Rav tells you otherwise). End of story.
Anyone else find that statement ironic?

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #154 on: April 23, 2020, 11:01:47 AM »
Anyone else find that statement ironic?
How dare you?! He clearly wrote end of story.

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #155 on: April 23, 2020, 11:13:50 AM »
Anyone else find that statement ironic?

Ironic how?

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #156 on: April 23, 2020, 11:15:10 AM »
i quoted what I heard from a friend no need to go personal here. And I think there’s a difference when the government issues a blanket no entry. Again AYLOR

Not getting personal. "Your stupidity and irresponsibility" is directed at the hypothetical tenant who decided to go back to America after Purim, when it was already known that return would be difficult - it was not directed it you. :)

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #157 on: April 23, 2020, 11:20:45 AM »
Not getting personal. "Your stupidity and irresponsibility" is directed at the hypothetical tenant who decided to go back to America after Purim, when it was already known that return would be difficult - it was not directed it you. :)
Read his comment again, dont think he meant anything personal at all.

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #158 on: April 23, 2020, 12:25:30 PM »
https://govforms.gov.il/mw/forms/QuarantineRequestForArrivals@health.gov.il?displang=en
That form is for people that are allowed into the country to request permission to quarantine at home as apposed to a state controlled facility. A2 visas are not allowed in at all. Do you have anymore info on how she got in?

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Re: Couples Stuck in USA - Rent on Israeli Apartments
« Reply #159 on: April 23, 2020, 01:07:03 PM »
I will follow whatever Halacha says. But the tone of these tenants changed dramatically as soon as they realized I changed the locks, now they are singing a tune of cooperation and commitment,  not of unilateral declarations of lease breaking.  BH. I don't intend to reopen a unit until I know full lease terms will be honored.
Well my lawyer says otherwise.
And what about your posek? Even if he said it's ok you cannot halachically take unilateral action involving someone else's property without going to beis din (unless there is another procedure spelled out in the lease).