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Re: Calculating The Actual Fatality Rate
« Reply #162 on: May 04, 2020, 03:11:32 PM »
This is all you to need to know that this site is nothing more than Kool-Aid: Chinese WuFlu
Maybe watch the YouTube video in the article that has the conversations with the funurel homes recorded?

It was made in china, so it is chinese (how many times do you need hear this) (are you calling the bee the Asian bee? Or that's also racist?)

Your so drunk on koolaid, wake up
The numbers are inflated, it happened in Pennsylvania also

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Re: Calculating The Actual Fatality Rate
« Reply #163 on: May 04, 2020, 03:15:01 PM »
Your so drunk on koolaid, wake up
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Re: Calculating The Actual Fatality Rate
« Reply #164 on: May 04, 2020, 03:15:06 PM »
This is all you to need to know that this site is nothing more than Kool-Aid: Chinese WuFlu
The hospitals get more money if the patient had the chinese flu

They're incentivized to write chinese flu

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Re: Calculating The Actual Fatality Rate
« Reply #165 on: May 04, 2020, 03:19:10 PM »
This is all you to need to know that this site is nothing more than Kool-Aid: Chinese WuFlu
They are way past kool-aid. They are lysol drinkers.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Calculating The Actual Fatality Rate
« Reply #166 on: May 04, 2020, 03:34:07 PM »
Maybe watch the YouTube video in the article that has the conversations with the funurel homes recorded?

It was made in china, so it is chinese (how many times do you need hear this) (are you calling the bee the Asian bee? Or that's also racist?)

Your so drunk on koolaid, wake up
The numbers are inflated, it happened in Pennsylvania also
Aha, so all these people we know who’ve died were really from a super seekrit other cause?
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Re: Calculating The Actual Fatality Rate
« Reply #167 on: May 04, 2020, 03:40:06 PM »
They are way past kool-aid. They are lysol drinkers.
If they were Lysol dousers at least we wouldn't be hearing this stupidity too much longer...

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Re: Calculating The Actual Fatality Rate
« Reply #168 on: May 15, 2020, 10:10:34 AM »
It was made in china, so it is chinese (how many times do you need hear this) (are you calling the bee the Asian bee? Or that's also racist?)

Actually it is racist. which is why the Asian giant hornet was renamed by the MSM "Murder hornet" overnight.

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Re: Calculating The Actual Fatality Rate
« Reply #169 on: May 15, 2020, 10:24:25 AM »
Actually it is racist. which is why the Asian giant hornet was renamed by the MSM "Murder hornet" overnight.
What about like Siberian Tigers? Is that racist?
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Re: Calculating The Actual Fatality Rate
« Reply #170 on: May 15, 2020, 10:24:37 AM »
The hospitals get more money if the patient had the chinese flu

They're incentivized to write chinese flu
Heard first hand from a Hatzala member who had a patient who tested negative for Covid19, and died shortly after arriving in a NY hospital from an unrelated disease,  on his death certificate it stated cause of death as Covid19, they determined after investigating this particular case that Drs. are incentivized to write Covid19 so the hospitals get larger federal grants.

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Re: Calculating The Actual Fatality Rate
« Reply #171 on: May 15, 2020, 10:30:23 AM »
Heard first hand from a Hatzala member who had a patient who tested negative for Covid19, and died shortly after arriving in a NY hospital from an unrelated disease,  on his death certificate it stated cause of death as Covid19, they determined after investigating this particular case that Drs. are incentivized to write Covid19 so the hospitals get larger federal grants.
Yeah I’m still not going to believe this conspiracy theory, sorry. Excess mortality shows how many more deaths there have been than average.  No I’m not going to assume they are lockdown induced deaths, especially since excess mortality in other states not hit as hard by COVID yet didn’t go up at that rate and they locked down at the same time.
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Re: Calculating The Actual Fatality Rate
« Reply #172 on: May 15, 2020, 10:47:24 AM »
Heard first hand from a Hatzala member who had a patient who tested negative for Covid19, and died shortly after arriving in a NY hospital from an unrelated disease,  on his death certificate it stated cause of death as Covid19, they determined after investigating this particular case that Drs. are incentivized to write Covid19 so the hospitals get larger federal grants.
There's always something that pays more. If you're assuming the hospitals lie to get more money, you don't need CoViD19 for that. Also, as has been explained all over the internet in response to this claim, the payments for CoViD19 aren't higher per se - they're bundled, which is not uncommon. The idea is that instead of billing for every little aspect of treatment individually, the price for care of these patients is set at what they see as the average cost of care for treating CoViD19.

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Re: Calculating The Actual Fatality Rate
« Reply #173 on: May 15, 2020, 10:56:01 AM »
There's always something that pays more. If you're assuming the hospitals lie to get more money, you don't need CoViD19 for that. Also, as has been explained all over the internet in response to this claim, the payments for CoViD19 aren't higher per se - they're bundled, which is not uncommon. The idea is that instead of billing for every little aspect of treatment individually, the price for care of these patients is set at what they see as the average cost of care for treating CoViD19.

In that case it would actually make sense to designate the patients on the low end of the cost spectrum as Covid patients to get the higher bundled reimbursement and to designate the highest cost patients as non-Covid if they can do so so they can unbundle the billing. Interesting.

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Re: Calculating The Actual Fatality Rate
« Reply #174 on: May 15, 2020, 11:13:40 AM »
What about like Siberian Tigers? Is that racist?
Siberians dont rank high enough on the intersectional hierarchy.

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Re: Calculating The Actual Fatality Rate
« Reply #175 on: May 15, 2020, 11:16:23 AM »
Yeah I’m still not going to believe this conspiracy theory, sorry. Excess mortality shows how many more deaths there have been than average.  No I’m not going to assume they are lockdown induced deaths, especially since excess mortality in other states not hit as hard by COVID yet didn’t go up at that rate and they locked down at the same time.
Just going to assume that you lost your train of thought or maybe are responding to a different thread.
I am only stating what I heard first hand from the person.

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Re: Calculating The Actual Fatality Rate
« Reply #176 on: May 15, 2020, 11:19:22 AM »
Siberians dont rank high enough on the intersectional hierarchy.
How about the palestinian viper? Caucasian squirrel? Great white pelican?
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Re: Calculating The Actual Fatality Rate
« Reply #177 on: May 15, 2020, 11:27:25 AM »
Yeah I’m still not going to believe this conspiracy theory, sorry. Excess mortality shows how many more deaths there have been than average.  No I’m not going to assume they are lockdown induced deaths, especially since excess mortality in other states not hit as hard by COVID yet didn’t go up at that rate and they locked down at the same time.
As I said before, they're not mutually exclusive. There can be many deaths classified as COVID that aren't as well as many deaths that are COVID that aren't included. Another possibility is people are dying from unrelated illnesses due to the lower standard of care, for example the ban on transporting a patient without a pulse.
There's always something that pays more. If you're assuming the hospitals lie to get more money, you don't need CoViD19 for that. Also, as has been explained all over the internet in response to this claim, the payments for CoViD19 aren't higher per se - they're bundled, which is not uncommon. The idea is that instead of billing for every little aspect of treatment individually, the price for care of these patients is set at what they see as the average cost of care for treating CoViD19.
They always do, my grandfathers death certificate says he died from pancreatic cancer. If there is one thing we are certain he didn't have it's pancreatic cancer, but it looks better for them because they "diagnosed" it 10 months prior but no matter what they did they couldn't get it to show up on a biopsy even with a team of the top pathologists in Sloan Kettering because they were barking up the wrong tree. That doesn't change the fact that there are many "COVID deaths" that really aren't COVID.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Calculating The Actual Fatality Rate
« Reply #178 on: May 15, 2020, 11:37:34 AM »
How about the palestinian viper? Caucasian squirrel? Great white pelican?
If the Palestine Viper invaded the USA and wreaked havoc, rest assured the MSM would rename it the "Israeli Viper" (after all its Israel's national snake).

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Re: Calculating The Actual Fatality Rate
« Reply #179 on: May 15, 2020, 11:43:34 AM »
In that case it would actually make sense to designate the patients on the low end of the cost spectrum as Covid patients to get the higher bundled reimbursement and to designate the highest cost patients as non-Covid if they can do so so they can unbundle the billing. Interesting.
You want to go down the rabbit hole of medical billing, be my guest. But it's not a helpful topic to the discussion of CoViD numbers IMO.
As I said before, they're not mutually exclusive. There can be many deaths classified as COVID that aren't as well as many deaths that are COVID that aren't included. Another possibility is people are dying from unrelated illnesses due to the lower standard of care, for example the ban on transporting a patient without a pulse. They always do, my grandfathers death certificate says he died from pancreatic cancer. If there is one thing we are certain he didn't have it's pancreatic cancer, but it looks better for them because they "diagnosed" it 10 months prior but no matter what they did they couldn't get it to show up on a biopsy even with a team of the top pathologists in Sloan Kettering because they were barking up the wrong tree. That doesn't change the fact that there are many "COVID deaths" that really aren't COVID.
The point is you can't just point to the money in order to say they're doing it dishonestly and it's because of the money. There are legitimate reasons for the money to be higher for CoViD cases, and it's not necessarily making the hospital more money because the higher billable amount should accompany a higher cost of care. In your example, you have specific reasons to show on the medical side of things where they might have been wrong, and even there it doesn't automatically mean it was a money thing (hubris is a problem too).

Bottom line is that excess deaths is the best metric you're going to get. That's true with or without any discussion of funny business in diagnosing, because not every case can be diagnosed. It's true that there are other factors contributing to the excess deaths number, but it's unreasonable to assume those factors play a bigger role than CoViD itself. There are so many causes of death that see significant downturns in a lockdown scenario - why assume those are smaller than your increase due to lockdown (or other factors).