Areivim USA - Coronavirus

[Sammy82]

most of the time it was about the rabonim will have meeting........ after yom tov etc.   then there was a Trust issue (setting it up) then another meeting of the rabonim,,,,, they also had an issue that there was a charidy campaign where $300k was raised, what it has to do with these ganovim/arievim, I dont know.
The bottom line the almana has remarried by now and she and her yesomim were cheated .............

i may go public with the name, if i feel its the right thing to do............ but not yet

I have nothing to do with areivim and know very little about it. But from reading close to 1000 posts here, like the program or not, nobody claimed that they are ganavim. And my guess is that there are very chashuva rabbonim involved. I don't understand how this could happen, unless there's more to the story.

[Mordyk]

I have nothing to do with areivim and know very little about it. But from reading close to 1000 posts here, like the program or not, nobody claimed that they are ganavim. And my guess is that there are very chashuva rabbonim involved. I don't understand how this could happen, unless there's more to the story.

They should know this before they take his money for years....


I know another story. A person had a minor condition that he can live for years. He died of a totally different cause. And they did not want to pay out...

[dovy2]

Are there no stories of Life insurance companies trying to wiggle out of paying?

[aygart]

Are there no stories of Life insurance companies trying to wiggle out of paying?

They are regulated

[yuneeq]

If the person wasn't covered at the time of sign up, it doesn't matter if their cause of death was unrelated to a minor issue that "they can live with for years". They weren't covered, period.

And lesson learned - don't pay for things that you aren't covered for.

[Sammy82]

That minor condition MAY make it that there shouldn't be coverage. I don't know what the rules and contract say. But it's not that far-fetched. And if it's in there, I feel bad that they aren't getting the money they feel they are owed and probably need, especially at such a moment but the end of the day, it's aren't a tzedaka organization (and even tzedaka organizations have certain parameters of who they give to....)

[Mordyk]

If the person wasn't covered at the time of sign up, it doesn't matter if their cause of death was unrelated to a minor issue that "they can live with for years". They weren't covered, period.

And lesson learned - don't pay for things that you aren't covered for.

I left out details to protect the anonymity just in case.  It's minor and I believe areivim would initially cover him if it was disclosed.

[yfr bachur]

I left out details to protect the anonymity just in case.  It's minor and I believe areivim would initially cover him if it was disclosed.

That may be true, but they specificaly say that if you don't disclose relevant medical info, you arn't covered.

Are there no stories of Life insurance companies trying to wiggle out of paying?

Honestly, non disclosure of relevant medical info won't just leave you at risk of denial of insurance coverage, it's a crime called insurance fraud.

[incendia]

That minor condition MAY make it that there shouldn't be coverage. I don't know what the rules and contract say. But it's not that far-fetched. And if it's in there, I feel bad that they aren't getting the money they feel they are owed and probably need, especially at such a moment but the end of the day, it's aren't a tzedaka organization (and even tzedaka organizations have certain parameters of who they give to....)

If they aren't a tzdaka and they aren't an insurance what are they?

If they aren't a tzdaka why do they say you can use masser money?

[aygart]

That minor condition MAY make it that there shouldn't be coverage. I don't know what the rules and contract say. But it's not that far-fetched. And if it's in there, I feel bad that they aren't getting the money they feel they are owed and probably need, especially at such a moment but the end of the day, it's aren't a tzedaka organization (and even tzedaka organizations have certain parameters of who they give to....)

They ABSOLUTELY ARE a tzedaka.

[Sammy82]

If they aren't a tzdaka and they aren't an insurance what are they?

It's an organization to help the community. Not sure why it has to be one or the other. There are thousands of other types of organizations.

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Not sure ur serious or not and I probably shouldn't be answering. But I will anyway.
There are many places you could put your maaser money. For example, making a donation to a local school, hatzalah, masaskim, etc. Are any of them tzedaka organizations? Tomchai shabbos, Masbia, and similar are tzadaka organizations that give handouts but as I mentioned, even they have certain internal (and probably external too) parameters that they would generally follow as to who they give to.

[aygart]

It's an organization to help the community. Not sure why it has to be one or the other. There are thousands of other types of organizations.

If they aren't a tzdaka why do they say you can use masser money?

Not sure ur serious or not and I probably shouldn't be answering. But I will anyway.
There are many places you could put your maaser money. For example, making a donation to a local school, hatzalah, masaskim, etc. Are any of them tzedaka organizations? Tomchai shabbos, Masbia, and similar are tzadaka organizations that give handouts but as I mentioned, even they have certain internal (and probably external too) parameters that they would generally follow as to who they give to.

You need to read up on this thread (and the others about Areivim that are link therein).

[yos9694]

Are there no stories of Life insurance companies trying to wiggle out of paying?

Is this question a red herring or an argument from ignorance?

[Yosel]

I have nothing to do with areivim and know very little about it. But from reading close to 1000 posts here, like the program or not, nobody claimed that they are ganavim. And my guess is that there are very chashuva rabbonim involved. I don't understand how this could happen, unless there's more to the story.

If they don't pay out to the family, for whatever reason like @Mordyk mentioned on May 28, yet they charged the credit card of all members........... they are called in Lushen Koidesh ""GANAVIM"

Sorry!!  is there another word you would like to replace it with?
TIA

[Yosel]

I think that whenever there is a questionable claim at Areivim/GANAVIM, they should ask the members via email, "are you willing to pay for this almana and her children the $28"  Like a charidy campaign

also disclose to us that they had no life insurance, and the Amana is really in Need Etc. ..............

The rabanim only meet twice a year (that my understanding) and they are sitting on money that belongs to almamnoth or should be returned to the members who's CC were charged

[tov hashem]

I’m waiting for the day when all Jewish services will be up for review, the way it works in the secular world

[Yosel]

Can you PM me a name and i'll reach out to them to find out details, i'll post back here what answer i get from them.

I will not PM you........ I will post their name in public............ its time that klal yisroel has a look into their behavior (pansy scheme) expose them and their bank account.

BTW, can you find out what the balance is in their account today?? get us a Dollar amount, then we will check for the month of May, April, lets see the numbers, and as adults we can decide for our self ..........................

Of course I thank you in advance

[JACKBLUE]

I will not PM you........ I will post their name in public............ its time that klal yisroel has a look into their behavior (pansy scheme) expose them and their bank account.

BTW, can you find out what the balance is in their account today?? get us a Dollar amount, then we will check for the month of May, April, lets see the numbers, and as adults we can decide for our self ..........................

Of course I thank you in advance

Let's go post their name, what are you waiting for??? You're screaming like a kid (i'm sorry) without any info...... There's 2 sides to every story and i'd love to hear the other side, i myself know of a a few cases that did get payouts and yes their spouse DID HAVE LIFE INSURANCE, So something doesn't add up with your stories/screaming.

If anyone wants to PM me for names of Almunas that got payouts can PM me no problem.

[knowitall]

Let's go post their name, what are you waiting for??? You're screaming like a kid (i'm sorry) without any info...... There's 2 sides to every story and i'd love to hear the other side, i myself know of a a few cases that did get payouts and yes their spouse DID HAVE LIFE INSURANCE, So something doesn't add up with your stories/screaming.

If anyone wants to PM me for names of Almunas that got payouts can PM me no problem.

Did anyone ever claim they don’t pay out when there is life insurance?

[Yehudaa]

Are there no stories of Life insurance companies trying to wiggle out of paying?

I’m sure there are, but presumably the solution is often a lawsuit. I’m sure there are lots of lawyers out there who do that for a living. Not sure that’s relevant with Areivim though.