Areivim USA - Coronavirus

[JACKBLUE]

What is there to decide. He is a member and deserves the payout.

This bothers me so much. If they have to think about this for more than half a second, they have to stop claiming they are a tzedaka.

was thinking the same....

[yesitsme]

This bothers me so much. If they have to think about this for more than half a second, they have to stop claiming they are a tzedaka.

when you sign up you can sign up as a sponsor or as a members, sponsor means if something happens R'L Areivim will not fund them

I just asked a friend of mine if he has areivim he said "yes as a sponsor not as a member" so I asked him why not as a member he said, because I have life insurance.......

[Lurker]

when you sign up you can sign up as a sponsor or as a members, sponsor means if something happens R'L Areivim will not fund them

Ah, that makes them a tzedaka again.

[yesitsme]

Ah, that makes them a tzedaka again.

its your decision my friend

[Lurker]

Just heard from Arievim that one of the people that died from Covid19, left behind a big family, when he signed up originally he signed that he only wants to give and not get a payout if he dies because he had a nice amount of LI, in the last year he was struggling and left his LI lapse.
They are still deciding how to go about it.....
#JustSaying

Please post updates as they become available. I think this is a game changer.

[JACKBLUE]

Please post updates as they become available. I think this is a game changer.

IYH will update.

[yesitsme]

Please post updates as they become available. I think this is a game changer.

please clarify this post

Ah, that makes them a tzedaka again.

are you trying to say that all tzadakah organizations should give out money on 1st come 1st serve basis without a decision process? find me this organization please

[Lurker]

please clarify this post

I'm going to withhold comment until I see what decision they make. If they do right by him, God bless them. If they don't, I promise I'll clarify it in no uncertain terms.

[mgarfin]

Just heard from Arievim that one of the people that died from Covid19, left behind a big family, when he signed up originally he signed that he only wants to give and not get a payout if he dies because he had a nice amount of LI, in the last year he was struggling and left his LI lapse.
They are still deciding how to go about it.....
#JustSaying

I have two thoughts on this story

1. Is it possible to let it lapse as he was relying on aravim as a backup

2. If someone signs up as a sponsor, as at that time he's financially stable. Over the years he loses all his money.
Is he required to call in and change a status or may he assume that they will see there is no money

[Chapshnell]

I have two thoughts on this story

1. Is it possible to let it lapse as he was relying on aravim as a backup

2. If someone signs up as a sponsor, as at that time he's financially stable. Over the years he loses all his money.
Is he required to call in and change a status or may he assume that they will see there is no money

Good questions, someone responsible would email areivim & change the status.

[Yosel]

What is there to decide. He is a member and deserves the payout.

well, the “prominent rabanim” who they trust their finances, have a right to think............

[Yosel]

IYH will update.

Is it OK for me to predict what the update will be?

[cholent]

Good questions, someone responsible would email areivim & change the status.

I'm pretty sure the sponsors give less per death than the members (maybe $5 instead of $7) - at least it was that way originally

[mgarfin]

Is it OK for me to predict what the update will be?

I predict if they need the money they will get it
If there's other money maybe not

[yesitsme]

Is it OK for me to predict what the update will be?

your prediction is that no one gets money regardless off situation

[Drago]

I doubt there is any government subsidy (beyond the actual stipend that is paid by the government in the first place).

ביטוח חיים מסובסד בחלקו ע"י משרד החינוך לאברכים יוצא לדרך מתחילת 2020 הבאה עלינו לטובה.

אבי התוכנית הוא סגן שר האוצר ח"כ יצחק כהן. ח"כ כהן קורא לאברכים ללחוץ על ראשי הכוללים על מנת להצטרף לתוכנית המאפשרת למשפחתו של אברך שנפטר לקבל משכורת במשך 15 שנה מיום פטירתו.

 מדובר על ביטוח חיים מסוג ריסק קבוצתי שייערך החל מחודש ינואר 2020 בעבור אברכים שלומדים במוסדות תורניים המתוקצבים על ידי משרד החינוך. ההצטרפות תהיה וולונטרית לכל מוסד תורני בנפרד.  מדובר על ציבור אברכים שמוערך בכ 90 אלף איש ובהיקף פרמיות שנתי המוערך בכ 30 מיליון ₪ לשנה.

In short, it's subsidized (elsewhere it says 50% of costs are paid by the government), and not every eligible institution has to join.

[David61]

I predict if they need the money they will get it
If there's other money maybe not

Agreed, except that they are now already $8 million in the hole and this would add another million or so!

And too much pressure on donors could cause the whole system to collapse, so I’d say it would also be contingent on monies being available from monthly donations over coming years, rather than making a commitment today.

On the other hand what right do they have to charge members for that collection unless they make it voluntary

[AsherO]

when you sign up you can sign up as a sponsor or as a members, sponsor means if something happens R'L Areivim will not fund them

So where are the stats on members vs sponsors?

Every time another plot-twist like this comes up, it’s the same question all over again, where is their transparency?

[AsherO]

I'm pretty sure the sponsors give less per death than the members (maybe $5 instead of $7) - at least it was that way originally

So when they state they have 22k members, does that include these sponsors (who pay less, mind you, well, at least some of them do if they signed up when it was $5...) or not?

[JACKBLUE]

I'm pretty sure the sponsors give less per death than the members (maybe $5 instead of $7) - at least it was that way originally

So when they state they have 22k members, does that include these sponsors (who pay less, mind you, well, at least some of them do if they signed up when it was $5...) or not?

everyone pays $5 per orphan, members and sponsors.