Covid-19 # are skewed

[yeshivabucher]

Excellent piece but can we believe the counterpoint guy?

yes i have been watching his channel for a while and he is very clear when giving opinion and when he is giving fact

[good sam]

I am sure that there were some deaths from the lockdown. There is no way the added stresses would not cause adverse enough effects in some with pre-existing conditions.

It is definitely worth examining and studying. The likelihood of that moving the needle in the context of COVID deaths is very slim.

You also have to look at decrease in deaths in other areas, MVA, workplace accidents, etc.

[yeshivabucher]

You also have to look at decrease in deaths in other areas, MVA, workplace accidents, etc.

it discussed in the video i posted still overall death have had a crazy spike in sheer numbers since last year

[aygart]

You also have to look at decrease in deaths in other areas, MVA, workplace accidents, etc.

That depends what you are trying to ascertain, but that is an excellent point when studying the costs of quarantine.

[S209]

That depends what you are trying to ascertain, but that is an excellent point when studying the costs of quarantine.

I think he is pointing out that excess mortality may not even be taking into account that expected deaths should drop when there is a decrease of activity, so it’s actually even a higher number we should be attributing to COVID, although I am not aware of those numbers. You can probably make both sides of that argument.

[good sam]

I think he is pointing out that excess mortality may not even be taking into account that expected deaths should drop when there is a decrease of activity, so it’s actually even a higher number we should be attributing to COVID, although I am not aware of those numbers. You can probably make both sides of that argument.

Right

[Barryg]

Does anyone want to offer a theory on these numbers?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/despite-pandemic-israels-death-rate-dropped-12-in-march-compared-to-last-year/

[S209]

Does anyone want to offer a theory on these numbers?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/despite-pandemic-israels-death-rate-dropped-12-in-march-compared-to-last-year/

You also have to look at decrease in deaths in other areas, MVA, workplace accidents, etc.

[Redbull3]

Car accidents is also usually a big killer and guessing those are down

edit: oh "mva"

[ilherman]

We all know that most people who test positive, will retest after they feel better to see if they are negetive. And we all know that a lot of these people will still come back positive.

Now, when the models are counting every day the new cases, they are counting all positives.

Since a lot of those are just people who retested, how is that an accurate number reflecting new cases? They should have a way to separate and only count brand new positives. I can't believe that no one has discussed this issue yet...

I tried Google but I couldn't find any answers.

[yeshivabucher]

We all know that most people who test positive, will retest after they feel better to see if they are negetive. And we all know that a lot of these people will still come back positive.

Now, when the models are counting every day the new cases, they are counting all positives.

Since a lot of those are just people who retested, how is that an accurate number reflecting new cases? They should have a way to separate and only count brand new positives. I can't believe that no one has discussed this issue yet...

I tried Google but I couldn't find any answers.

i belive they ask if yoju had a previous test when they test you

[Yard sale]

Numbers can be skewed in so many ways. We are being fed numbers that suit the narrative without necessary context. Take these two charts on daily new cases in NY and NJ. Looks like NY is trending sharply lower while NJ numbers are going downeard more gradually doesn’t it? But NJ actually recently ramped up its testing at close the double the rate of NY and then proceeded to slowly ramp down the testing in the last week or so. NY continues to gradually increase its testing. It’s possible NJ is actually going down more steeply than NY or vise versa.

The bottom line: infections are clearly trending lower, but because we are not given context the charts are not giving the real picture.

[avromie7]

Numbers can be skewed in so many ways. We are being fed numbers that suit the narrative without necessary context. Take these two charts on daily new cases in NY and NJ. Looks like NY is trending sharply lower while NJ numbers are going downeard more gradually doesn’t it? But NJ actually recently ramped up its testing at close the double the rate of NY and then proceeded to slowly ramp down the testing in the last week or so. NY continues to gradually increase its testing. It’s possible NJ is actually going down more steeply than NY or vise versa.

The bottom line: infections are clearly trending lower, but because we are not given context the charts are not giving the real picture.

This is why the positive rate is so important.

[zh cohen]

We all know that most people who test positive, will retest after they feel better to see if they are negetive.

Do we know that? Can we get a poll of those here who tested positive?

[KSMH]

https://twitter.com/YossiGestetner/status/1263860186894274560

Read the thread.

[yuneeq]

Numbers can be skewed in so many ways. We are being fed numbers that suit the narrative without necessary context. Take these two charts on daily new cases in NY and NJ. Looks like NY is trending sharply lower while NJ numbers are going downeard more gradually doesn’t it? But NJ actually recently ramped up its testing at close the double the rate of NY and then proceeded to slowly ramp down the testing in the last week or so. NY continues to gradually increase its testing. It’s possible NJ is actually going down more steeply than NY or vise versa.

The bottom line: infections are clearly trending lower, but because we are not given context the charts are not giving the real picture.

The daily testing data is pretty accessible on sites like COVID tracking.

[KSMH]

https://twitter.com/OneJerseySchorr/status/1264402502868520960

I know this 1st hand in NJ, you're covid if you test positive with a 15 min rapid while giving birth. Symptoms were over for over a month. A way to make money.

You're in the statistic.

[S209]

https://twitter.com/OneJerseySchorr/status/1264402502868520960

I know this 1st hand in NJ, you're covid if you test positive with a 15 min rapid while giving birth. Symptoms were over for over a month. A way to make money.

You're in the statistic.

AFAIK this is false, for a woman who gives birth while Covid positive a hospital is not reimbursed anything extra.

[KSMH]

AFAIK this is false, for a woman who gives birth while Covid positive a hospital is not reimbursed anything extra.

So why are they in the statistic as covid?

Dosnt any covid patient get 30% +/- reimbursement from ins?

If they are being designated as covid and nurses are using PPE why wouldn't they get reimbursed more?

[avromie7]

From what I hear, someone who tests positive multiple times will be counted as multiple cases.