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Author Topic: 5 Towns/Rockaway Rabbonim Ban All Minyanim Due To COVID-19 (Split Topic)  (Read 34793 times)

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Just watched his weekly update. He's officially sanctioning domestic help (with guidelines)


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As a doctor or a Rav? One has very little to do with the other, I assume you wouldnít eat at the home of many Doctors you use whom you trust fully for medical decisions.
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def in regards to minyanim

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Why wouldnít you trust him as a doctor? Who would you trust? Would you trust him if he told you you need to eat on Yom Kippur?
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As a doctor or a Rav?
he doesn't seem to have a medical reason to oppose front lawn minyanim anymore. so he's not speaking as a dr
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It's not really a matter of switching sides, but this is some of what went on:

Many Rabonim have determined through their medical advisers, Daas Torah and the trust of their mispalelim, that minyanim can now be open with specific guidelines.

There are two issues which are being heavily worked on. Number one is the law. It has to be ok'd by the Police Commissioner and the Fire Cheif. The Five Towns and Far Rockaway are both in different situations regarding this issue.

The second issue is ayva and causing a Chilul Hashem.

Every neighborhood and every situation is different. Where porch minyanim are feasible, that is the safest, most legal and usually no issue with neighbors. When they are not, then usually the next option with the least ayva is in very large backyards, possibly using neighboring yards with minyan split if feasible. Unfortunately, that option poses the biggest issue legally since any size gathering is officially prohibited on private property. A minyan spread across (frum) front lawns with proper distancing is 100% legal, but depending on the block, it can be an issue with ayva.

Some have solved this issue by contacting neighbors, sending them trays and letters explaining what was going on. This has worked well.

Last week, major lobbying was done and permission was granted for backyard minyanim with certain conditions. Unfortunately, a Rabbi from the anti-minyan crowed found out and lobbied himself. He convinced the government officials to revoke the permission. He even convinced them to send a letter to all involved Rabbis warning them not to make any backyard minyanim ot they will face major fines. They were told the police had locations and would visit on Shabbos. This is not a secret and this Rabbi is proud of what he did. There are unconfirmed reports that he later apologized to his colleagues, but the damage was done.

Right now the Governor has placed these restrictions in the hands of local officials to interpret and enforce. There is major lobying being done now in Albany to get these minyanim legalized by the Governor, and to even open shuls, or at least their parking lots, with certain restrictions.

IY"H by next Shabbos these issues will be resolved. There is a large group of Rabonim and Askonim working on this behind the scenes. It will be very sad is everyone is allowed to go to parks and beaches, but not daven with ten people on a lawn.

There is also a large group of Churches working together on these issues.

That is the update.
If this is true it is a קיום of what we read in the תוכחה this shabbos ורדו בכם שונאכם עיין רש"י שם

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Why wouldnít you trust him as a doctor? Who would you trust? Would you trust him if he told you you need to eat on Yom Kippur?
I would not trust him about eating on Yom Kippur.
Someone who sees himself as both a Dr and a Rabbi his opinions in one capacity will be colored by his ideology in the other capacity. I would faster trust a non jewish doctor in conjunction with a Rav I respect.

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I would not trust him about eating on Yom Kippur.
Someone who sees himself as both a Dr and a Rabbi his opinions in one capacity will be colored by his ideology in the other capacity. I would faster trust a non jewish doctor in conjunction with a Rav I respect.
In which case you would be going against halacha whether you eat or don't eat.

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In which case you would be going against halacha whether you eat or don't eat.
Ok, all he says is that he would ask someone else in the first place

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Ok, all he says is that he would ask someone else in the first place
That is not what he wrote.
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In which case you would be going against halacha whether you eat or don't eat.
I disagree with that. Al pi halacha one should not trust a Dr who is giving biased information and should instead seek advice from a doctor who is not biased

That is not what he wrote.
I would faster trust a non jewish doctor in conjunction with a Rav I respect.

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I disagree with that. Al pi halacha one should not trust a Dr who is giving biased information and should instead seek advice from a doctor who is not biased
How far would you take your not wanting to get advice from a doctor who also knows halacha?
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ok officially went from 99% not respecting what he says to 110%....moving right along

Iím shocked! Shocked! To find such ramblings in here! (What a movie).

Please make sure to call HatZolah ahead of time and let them know that if CĒV they need to take you to the hospital to make sure they donít bring you to Mount Sinai - South Nassau. Actually my brother is a paramedic on RL - I told him lots of people on this thread think DR Glatt is biased and they donít respect what he says -and I  hope HatZolah takes that into consideration when they need to transport someone to the hospital.

He laughed for a minute - then said HatZolah works super closely with Dr Glatt and South Nassau and if someone said that they would tell them to take an Uber to the hospital of their choice.

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I donít Daven in south Nassau so Iím ok with that  ;D

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I donít Daven in south Nassau so Iím ok with that  ;D

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I donít Daven in south Nassau so Iím ok with that  ;D
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