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Author Topic: 5 Towns/Rockaway Rabbonim Ban All Minyanim Due To COVID-19 (Split Topic)  (Read 35724 times)

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How about the insinuation that the anti-minyan crowd is into mesirah? Or the part about me having failed the system and resenting the world? Should those be taken seriously, or should I write them off as the arrogant ranting of someone who is (at least acting) clueless and illogical?

Yeah, thatís my point.

Exactly this.
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How about the insinuation that the anti-minyan crowd is into mesirah? Or the part about me having failed the system and resenting the world? Should those be taken seriously, or should I write them off as the arrogant ranting of someone who is (at least acting) clueless and illogical?

Yeah, thatís my point.

Anyone who disagrees with me is illogical.

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Dr glatt claimed lawn minyanim are illegal (they never were because they aren't gatherings)
that has nothing to do with what I was responding to. Someone accused Cuomo of a hate crime and saying that only Memorial Day gatherings are allowed but not any religious gatherings and they wanted to sue. So all I was saying was that Cuomo never said that. I donít know of Rabbi Dr Glatt

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It's possible they made special arrangements to not have it enforced. The same way it's technically illegal to walk with ice cream in your pocket on Sundays, which is also unenforced.
(And no, I'm not saying the two are similar.)
ok but heís saying itís legal. Itís definitely not legal. Just because something is not enforced doesnít make it legal

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Anyone who disagrees with me is illogical.

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we donít mind him disagreeing but saying someone failed the yeshiva system when you donít even know him is pretty out of line but not surprising to see here

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ok but heís saying itís legal. Itís definitely not legal. Just because something is not enforced doesnít make it legal

Enforcement is a huge factor. Look at jaywalking in NY vs. LA.
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At least get the story straight!

From News12: "They say loopholes in the executive order make it difficult to enforce if a school claims they're open for child care, which is allowed during the pandemic."

http://westchester.news12.com/story/42149135/kiryas-joel-school-appears-to-be-open-despite-statewide-order
seems to be a reading comprehension issue. Which word of enforce didn't you understand?
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They can't enforce it because they can't prove it's illegal.
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They can't enforce it because they can't prove it's illegal.
Prove, sure. They would need a warrant to enter and check.
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that has nothing to do with what I was responding to. Someone accused Cuomo of a hate crime and saying that only Memorial Day gatherings are allowed but not any religious gatherings and they wanted to sue. So all I was saying was that Cuomo never said that. I donít know of Rabbi Dr Glatt
Now you are twisting my words. Religious discrimination isn't a hate crime, it is in violation of the constitution.

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Prove, sure. They would need a warrant to enter and check.

And if they entered and checked, what would they be able to prove?
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seems to be a reading comprehension issue. Which word of enforce didn't you understand?

Read carefully "which is allowed during the pandemic"

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Read carefully "which is allowed during the pandemic"
Right? You are still having your comprehension issues. So they can't enforce against the school operating because they can lie and claim it is only day care.

Why one should be allowed and not the other is a very different question.
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Right? You are still having your comprehension issues. So they can't enforce against the school operating because they can lie and claim it is only day care.

Why one should be allowed and not the other is a very different question.

My question is how a school is different than a daycare. If a ďdaycareĒ would exist for older children, I imagine it wouldnít be the same as one for toddlers.
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We would become less yeshivish, or him more?
What @Sam Finkelstein meant is that living there would have strengthen your yeshivish strains and therefor you would be a rebellion as well  :)
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My question is how a school is different than a daycare. If a ďdaycareĒ would exist for older children, I imagine it wouldnít be the same as one for toddlers.
It is an arbitrary technical difference.
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ok but heís saying itís legal. Itís definitely not legal. Just because something is not enforced doesnít make it legal
It's definitely not legal because they need to have an umbrella rule for the entire state. But they seem to understand the situations on the ground in the frum communities are completely different, had they been a county for themselves, they would have meet all the reopening criteria weeks ago, therefor an agreement was able to be made on enforcement. 

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It is an arbitrary technical difference.
Which cannot be proven.
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It's definitely not legal because they need to have an umbrella rule for the entire state. But they seem to understand the situations on the ground in the frum communities are completely different, had they been a county for themselves, they would have meet all the reopening criteria weeks ago, therefor an agreement was able to be made on enforcement. 

Somehow they seem to have forgotten to inform DeBlasio. ::)
this is atbest speculation and a pretty wild theory at that, besides its inclusion of alternative facts.
They actually are having different rules for different regiona of the state. But don't let facts get in your way.
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Which cannot be proven.
From the outside.
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