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How does .1% mean zero? Mathematically it is one out of a thousand?
Because that small percent doesn't mean they will day. Even those will only get sick. Most who get sick don't even feel any worse than a flue. In addition, most minyanim dont have a thousand people davening there.

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Re: Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #241 on: May 05, 2020, 11:11:40 AM »
They were talking to us and it was at the peak.

Who is us? When was the peak?

From the way you write, it seems that you don't really care anyways. Your comments are nasty, attacking, and lack any substance. Either you don't bother reading the substance people write, or you simply don't understand.

This thread has a lot of substance on both sides. Then there are the few oisvurfs who have nothing smart to say. They are the baalei gaava who feel those who disagree with them are rightist Lakewooders who belong in caves, not in the Five Towns.

I feel bad for those few. There lives seem pretty miserable.
As I already mentioned, you are clearly a very special person and a true mensch. What your posts lacked in vitriol were more than made up for in logic, keen insight, coherence, and true understanding of epidemiology, human nature, and the nuances of inter-community dynamics.

Thank you for sharing your brilliance with the masses.
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Re: Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #242 on: May 05, 2020, 11:13:14 AM »
I give you credit for at least understanding yourself. Many do not.

Please keep in.mind, you were the first and only one to mention cholent. Nobody else was thinking about it. But when you can't argue substance, you start doing wombat you are doing.

I guess you are not happy to hear minyanim might open and you're actually going to have to get out of bed and get dressed and go to shul. You'll have to spend more than 5 minutes davening and might even have to listen to hisorirus from a Rov...
a week ago the minyan goers were called rotzchim,
Now the anti minyan movement are cholent fressers,
I mean címon.

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Re: Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #243 on: May 05, 2020, 11:14:45 AM »
They were talking to us and it was at the peak.

From the way you write, it seems that you don't really care anyways. Your comments are nasty, attacking, and lack any substance. Either you don't bother reading the substance people write, or you simply don't understand.

This thread has a lot of substance on both sides. Then there are the few oisvurfs who have nothing smart to say. They are the baalei gaava who feel those who disagree with them are rightist Lakewooders who belong in caves, not in the Five Towns.

I feel bad for those few. There lives seem pretty miserable.

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Re: Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #244 on: May 05, 2020, 11:15:16 AM »
As I already mentioned, you are clearly a very special person and a true mensch. What your posts lacked in vitriol were more than made up for in logic, keen insight, coherence, and true understanding of epidemiology, human nature, and the nuances of inter-community dynamics.

Thank you for sharing your brilliance with the masses.

There you go again, avoiding to debate the substance of the argument.

Its o.k.. I always knew people like you exist. I feel bad because we can be a much better Nation if people like you would work on themselves.

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Re: Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #245 on: May 05, 2020, 11:15:27 AM »
a week ago the minyan goers were called rotzchim,
Now the anti minyan movement are cholent fressers,
I mean címon.
By comparing the two you are setting up a straw man argument that they are one and the same.

Previously, it was valid to call many people attending minyan rodfim (not my words, words of Rí Chaim etc.). Now, itís certainly wrong to call anyone a cholent fresser for any reason. For what constructive purpose would you belittle someone by name calling?
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Because that small percent doesn't mean they will day. Even those will only get sick. Most who get sick don't even feel any worse than a flue. In addition, most minyanim dont have a thousand people davening there.

Oy

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Re: Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #247 on: May 05, 2020, 11:16:51 AM »
a week ago the minyan goers were called rotzchim,
Now the anti minyan movement are cholent fressers,
I mean címon.
Your not following. It was the cholent freshers calling the minyan goers rotzchim.

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Re: Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #248 on: May 05, 2020, 11:18:07 AM »
Your not following. It was the cholent freshers calling the minyan goers rotzchim.

Youíre*

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Because that small percent doesn't mean they will day. Even those will only get sick. Most who get sick don't even feel any worse than a flue. In addition, most minyanim don't have a thousand people davening there.
Ahh so by harmed you mean to catch it? If so then whomever you are referring to is misinformed. Such numbers are simply contrary to the facts.
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I guess you are not happy to hear minyanim might open and you're actually going to have to get out of bed and get dressed and go to shul. You'll have to spend more than 5 minutes davening and might even have to listen to hisorirus from a Rov...

For the record, many who are davening at home are doing so at vasikin per the guidance of many rabbonim.
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Re: Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #251 on: May 05, 2020, 11:23:06 AM »
There you go again, avoiding to debate the substance of the argument.

Its o.k.. I always knew people like you exist. I feel bad because we can be a much better Nation if people like you would work on themselves.
I know, and Iím glad I have you to call me out. I am Mekabel the special mussar I am receiving from your holy mouth. You have nothing to work on, BH! Itís people like you that keep us going at these special times.

Side note: Youíve yet to directly address my questioning your comparison of this to the flu, which was literally the only reason I ever piped up in the first place. I couldnít care less which psak you follow, I was addressing a false and dangerous assertion you made which you still havenít made as much as an attempt to answer.

Again, I apologize for my extreme lack of substance. The substantial substance of your sustained subsistent substance has subdued me into subversion.
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Your comments are nasty, attacking, and lack any substance.
Mirror, meet @sammyp
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #253 on: May 05, 2020, 11:23:53 AM »
By comparing the two you are setting up a straw man argument that they are one and the same.

Previously, it was valid to call many people attending minyan rodfim (not my words, words of Rí Chaim etc.). Now, itís certainly wrong to call anyone a cholent fresser for any reason. For what constructive purpose would you belittle someone by name calling?
just for the record, R Chiem was referring to someone who knows (or suspects) that he is infected.

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Re: Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #254 on: May 05, 2020, 11:24:30 AM »
Your not following. It was the cholent freshers calling the minyan goers rotzchim.
Shall we send that message to Rí Chaim by phone, or through his gabboim? I want to make sure he gets the message clearly, not garbled through his circles.
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Why am I not shocked that this was ignored.
still igonored of course.
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Re: Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
« Reply #256 on: May 05, 2020, 11:27:00 AM »
just for the record, R Chiem was referring to someone who knows (or suspects) that he is infected.
So letís follow this progression.

@sammyp claims 85% of NY has been infected, or at least exposed.
Rí Chaim was only referring to someone who suspects he is infected by calling them a rodef.
Therefore.. he was referring to everyone in NY.

But only cholent fressers call people a rodef.

Ah, I see where I was wrong.
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What do you think would take a guy like him to take this seriously and not decide that the whole thing is a hack job set up the ďliberalsĒ and no worse than the flu? Iím just curious - if anything would happen to convince someone like that of the danger. I mean if the amount of people in the frum community that died wasnít enough (donít think he would care about any other deaths). Is there a number of people that have to die from this first or will it never happen no matter what? Will it always be something made up by liberals and CNN?

I should have stopped this long ago but I rarely have the opportunity to talk to someone who is so convinced of all this narishkiet. Eye-opening.

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So letís follow this progression.

@sammyp claims 85% of NY has been infected, or at least exposed.
Rí Chaim was only referring to someone who suspects he is infected by calling them a rodef.
Therefore.. he was referring to everyone in NY.

But only cholent fressers call people a rodef.

Ah, I see where I was wrong.

What about if you never eat cholent in Shul and only fress at home?

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Who makes the best Shul cholent?