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Author Topic: 5 Towns/Rockaway Rabbonim Ban All Minyanim Due To COVID-19 (Split Topic)  (Read 35758 times)

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Leave the Rabbanim out of it for a minute. I think the letter is more about pointing out that people have all of a sudden become "frum" by being anti-minyan. (Yes, anti-minyan more than pro-health, it seems, unfortunately.)
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Leave the Rabbanim out of it for a minute. I think the letter is more about pointing out that people have all of a sudden become "frum" by being anti-minyan. (Yes, anti-minyan more than pro-health, it seems, unfortunately.)
The same way some have become rebellious by being pro minyan.
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Leave the Rabbanim out of it for a minute. I think the letter is more about pointing out that people have all of a sudden become "frum" by being anti-minyan. (Yes, anti-minyan more than pro-health, it seems, unfortunately.)
Speak for yourself. If someone is pointing out the hypocrisy of some people who act self righteous by talking down to minyan goers but then go to the beach, by all means. But donít drag the Rabbanim into your indignant rage. A Rav who wouldnít daven with a minyan but would go to the beach, yes. I hope that doesnít exist. So why blame the Rabbanim?
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Leave the Rabbanim out of it for a minute. I think the letter is more about pointing out that people have all of a sudden become "frum" by being anti-minyan. (Yes, anti-minyan more than pro-health, it seems, unfortunately.)
Thatís not what the letter asked, though. It asked why Rabbanim donít condemn them like they assured minyanim. What??
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The same way some have become rebellious by being pro minyan.
I wouldn't necessarily characterize it like that. I feel they are acting more out of (very misplaced) religious conviction (and feel-goodism) than the other camp.
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Thatís not what the letter asked, though. It asked why Rabbanim donít condemn them like they assured minyanim. What??
Speak for yourself. If someone is pointing out the hypocrisy of some people who act self righteous by talking down to minyan goers but then go to the beach, by all means. But donít drag the Rabbanim into your indignant rage. A Rav who wouldnít daven with a minyan but would go to the beach, yes. I hope that doesnít exist. So why blame the Rabbanim?

Your point is valid. I was just trying to validate his view before invloving the Rabbanim.
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Cuomo said something about Memorial Day gatherings of up to 10 people. Was he also referring to minyanim?
I just want to say this and I hope all can agree with me here. I donít care about Memorial Day ceremonies in regards to them happening or not. But the fact that Cuomo is allowing ten person ceremonies but wonít allow ten people to daven together is a blatant act of religious discrimination and unconstitutional. We pay organizations a lot of money to advocate for us, where are they?

There are lots of rabbonim who would allow them if legal and certainly there are others who donít allow them - Everyone should follow their own rov. But where is the Agudah who takes millions of dollars to be our advocacy group? Why is everybody so busy with fancy weddings when our rights are being trampled on. I canít say that Iíve never missed a minyan in my life and I canít say that I wonít in the future. But itís upsetting to me that we are allowing Cuomo to trample all over us without saying so much as a world.

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I just want to say this and I hope all can agree with me here. I donít care about Memorial Day ceremonies in regards to them happening or not. But the fact that Cuomo is allowing ten person ceremonies but wonít allow ten people to daven together is a blatant act of religious discrimination and unconstitutional. We pay organizations a lot of money to advocate for us, where are they?

There are lots of rabbonim who would allow them if legal and certainly there are others who donít allow them - Everyone should follow their own rov. But where is the Agudah who takes millions of dollars to be our advocacy group? Why is everybody so busy with fancy weddings when our rights are being trampled on. I canít say that Iíve never missed a minyan in my life and I canít say that I wonít in the future. But itís upsetting to me that we are allowing Cuomo to trample all over us without saying so much as a world.
who said cuomo wonít allow 10 people to daven together?

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who said cuomo wonít allow 10 people to daven together?
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Cuomo
when? He said on Sunday that they are putting together regulations for Shuls to be open on Shavuot

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I just want to say this and I hope all can agree with me here. I donít care about Memorial Day ceremonies in regards to them happening or not. But the fact that Cuomo is allowing ten person ceremonies but wonít allow ten people to daven together is a blatant act of religious discrimination and unconstitutional. We pay organizations a lot of money to advocate for us, where are they?

There are lots of rabbonim who would allow them if legal and certainly there are others who donít allow them - Everyone should follow their own rov. But where is the Agudah who takes millions of dollars to be our advocacy group? Why is everybody so busy with fancy weddings when our rights are being trampled on. I canít say that Iíve never missed a minyan in my life and I canít say that I wonít in the future. But itís upsetting to me that we are allowing Cuomo to trample all over us without saying so much as a world.

I am no Agudist, but I happen to know they are quite busy in Albany working on getting our institutions open. There happen to be, l'havdil, other religious leaders working on this to.

I'm sure it doesn't help though when another Jewish advocacy group is lobbies to stay closed though.

At least starting Monday we can daven at the beach. I hope they have lights there for Shavuos night too!

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when? He said on Sunday that they are putting together regulations for Shuls to be open on Shavuot
He did not say that. He was referring very clearly to upstate and said it was a possibility. Any gathering of any kind in NYS is currently illegal. Besides for Memorial Day ceremonies of course.

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I wouldn't necessarily characterize it like that. I feel they are acting more out of (very misplaced) religious conviction (and feel-goodism) than the other camp.
Someone who comes to an unsanctioned minyan and smokes until halfway through birchos  krias sham and then whips them off to leave and schmooze down the block right after kedusha...
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He did not say that. He was referring very clearly to upstate and said it was a possibility. Any gathering of any kind in NYS is currently illegal. Besides for Memorial Day ceremonies of course.
thats simply not true

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I am no Agudist, but I happen to know they are quite busy in Albany working on getting our institutions open.
The problem is exactly this. They shouldnít be working with him, they should be filing a lawsuit and send a message that we shouldnít have to compromise on our constitutional rights!

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thats simply not true
The question was asked about upstate regions which were already ďreopenedĒ.

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The question was asked about upstate regions which were already ďreopenedĒ.
ok but they are not making a rule that only Memorial Day gatherings are allowed and nothing else is. It might start on Memorial Day but from then on out all similar gatherings with similar guidelines will be allowed

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ok but they are not making a rule that only Memorial Day gatherings are allowed and nothing else is. It might start on Memorial Day but from then on out all similar gatherings with similar guidelines will be allowed
He said today specifically that Memorial Day gatherings are allowed with ten people. But nothing else.

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He said today specifically that Memorial Day gatherings are allowed with ten people. But nothing else.
yes but that was the topic at hand. He didnít say all other gatherings are not allowed with 10 people or less.

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Someone who comes to an unsanctioned minyan and smokes until halfway through birchos  krias sham and then whips them off to leave and schmooze down the block right after kedusha...

Not everyone who attends a minyan is pro-minyan.
Not everyone who doesnít attend a minyan is anti-minyan.
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