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Author Topic: 5 Towns/Rockaway Rabbonim Ban All Minyanim Due To COVID-19 (Split Topic)  (Read 35750 times)

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please name 1 yeshiva in NY or NJ that is legally open....
I will let you do your own homework. I'll give you a little help though. Patterson has been open since right after Pesach. They actually never closed. Safely and legally. The rest you can find out. I'm not here to give names and open cans of worms.

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I will let you do your own homework. I'll give you a little help though. Patterson has been open since right after Pesach. They actually never closed. Safely and legally. The rest you can find out. I'm not here to give names and open cans of worms.
how can it be legal if the state governments ordered all schools must close?

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I will let you do your own homework. I'll give you a little help though. Patterson has been open since right after Pesach. They actually never closed. Safely and legally. The rest you can find out. I'm not here to give names and open cans of worms.
Not legal...

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Not legal...
exactly. Thatís the only reason I asked for names. He said itís legal. If itís legal they should have no issues being named publicly. And it wonít open any cans of worms...

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exactly. Thatís the only reason I asked for names. He said itís legal. If itís legal they should have no issues being named publicly. And it wonít open any cans of worms...
There is legal as in Gov Murphy signing an executive order that bicycle shops can open and there is legal as in getting govt and law enforcement to agree to tolerate something but the minute there is pushback it's over (see chasunos in Lakewood after pesach)

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Not legal...

You don't know what you're talking about. It is legal and there are loophioles. That is also why when the reporter called the police on the school in KJ this weekend, the cops did nothing. Because there are loopholes.

The law is not just the few snippets you see posted on CNN. Its more complicated. Patterson is a dorm Yeshiva and is legally opened since Pesach. Now many shuls are also legally open. Go to Brooklyn and check it out.

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So if it's legal, please share the names.

(Hint: it's not legal)

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So if it's legal, please share the names.

(Hint: it's not legal)
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There are many reasons not to name names....

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You don't know what you're talking about. It is legal and there are loophioles. That is also why when the reporter called the police on the school in KJ this weekend, the cops did nothing. Because there are loopholes.

The law is not just the few snippets you see posted on CNN. Its more complicated. Patterson is a dorm Yeshiva and is legally opened since Pesach. Now many shuls are also legally open. Go to Brooklyn and check it out.
Re KJ it was not legal and the YEN headline was fake news. Just because you say it is legal doesn't mean that it is true. It is not like you have a reputation for accuracy here.
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who said cuomo wonít allow 10 people to daven together?

Rabbi Dr Glatt
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go watch the Cuomo press conference from yesterday. Itís on his twitter feed. Donít rely on others to tell you what he said

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I wouldn't necessarily characterize it like that. I feel they are acting more out of (very misplaced) religious conviction (and feel-goodism) than the other camp.
i don't understand this. can you please clarify?

Draw your own conclusions, but I note that the people pushing for minyanim by-and-large represent groups that take their religion very seriously.
i meant quite literally, i don't understand. there are a lot of pronouns. i  don't know who you are referring to
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Re KJ it was not legal and the YEN headline was fake news. Just because you say it is legal doesn't mean that it is true. It is not like you have a reputation for accuracy here.
They canít be legal. The government clearly said all schools must be shut. I donít know where he gets his info from. Thereís a reason itís not being publicized. There is no reason to hide something legal

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i meant quite literally, i don't understand. there are a lot of pronouns. i  don't know who you are referring to

I really didn't want to generalize here, but the more Yeshivish crowd is generally pro-minyan, and the Modox are typically anti.
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i meant quite literally, i don't understand. there are a lot of pronouns. i  don't know who you are referring to
I think heís suggesting that people in the pro-minyan ďcampĒ are more likely to actually be doing it leshem Shamayim than people in the anti-minyan ďcampĒ

Disclaimer: I donít necessarily agree with him, and he doesnít necessarily agree that theyíre right.
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go watch the Cuomo press conference from yesterday. Itís on his twitter feed. Donít rely on others to tell you what he said
Dr glatt claimed lawn minyanim are illegal (they never were because they aren't gatherings)
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They canít be legal. The government clearly said all schools must be shut. I donít know where he gets his info from. Thereís a reason itís not being publicized. There is no reason to hide something legal
It's possible they made special arrangements to not have it enforced. The same way it's technically illegal to walk with ice cream in your pocket on Sundays, which is also unenforced.
(And no, I'm not saying the two are similar.)
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I really didn't want to generalize here, but the more Yeshivish crowd is generally pro-minyan, and the Modox are typically anti.
Good, because although I donít know him personally, there is a good chance that @aygart and I are more yeshivish than our dear friend @sammyp.

Agreed that overall your observation holds true.
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It's possible they made special arrangements to not have it enforced. The same way it's technically illegal to walk with ice cream in your pocket on Sundays, which is also unenforced.
(And no, I'm not saying the two are similar.)
Oh finally someone is getting it.

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Good, because although I donít know him personally, there is a good chance that @aygart and I are more yeshivish than our dear friend @sammyp.

Agreed that overall your observation holds true.

I'm wondering if that would change if you would live in the 5T where this is actually going on.
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