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Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach (NEW case)?

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #180 on: May 31, 2020, 05:21:55 PM »
My wife and I were sick for the past few days. Both tested positive today.
Lakewood nj

Are you publicizing for contact tracing? Have you been to shul?

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #181 on: May 31, 2020, 05:45:43 PM »
My wife and I were sick for the past few days. Both tested positive today.
Lakewood nj
Is this the first time you are having symptoms? 

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #182 on: May 31, 2020, 06:00:27 PM »
Talking if which, is the Count moving his daughters wedding venue to Ohio to be able to accommodate all the guests?
I hope you meant to say "Speaking of which"
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #183 on: May 31, 2020, 06:12:00 PM »
I hope you meant to say "Speaking of which"

I'm under the influence of my 2 year old who very cutely mixes somewhat related verbs.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #184 on: May 31, 2020, 06:15:51 PM »
Is this the first time you are having symptoms? 
Yes. 

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #185 on: May 31, 2020, 06:19:12 PM »
Yes.
Were you practicing strict social distancing until now? Did you or your spouse travel outside of Lakewood within the past few weeks?

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #186 on: May 31, 2020, 06:21:48 PM »
My wife and I were sick for the past few days. Both tested positive today.
Lakewood nj
Did you test for the flu or strep? I and many others had symptoms 2+ months ago but still got a positive result 2 months later. It's possible you got the virus a while back and now you're sick with something else. What are your symptoms?

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #187 on: May 31, 2020, 06:23:54 PM »
I know of a hospitalization due to coved this weekend in BP.
Guy is 50-55

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #188 on: May 31, 2020, 06:39:11 PM »
Is this the first time you are having symptoms?

Were you practicing strict social distancing until now? Did you or your spouse travel outside of Lakewood within the past few weeks?

Did you test for the flu or strep? I and many others had symptoms 2+ months ago but still got a positive result 2 months later. It's possible you got the virus a while back and now you're sick with something else. What are your symptoms?

I see pre-Purim denial mode is back in full force once again. When thereís 2500 new cases a day in NY/NJ, and thereís more new cases in the US yesterday than there was 25 days before, you kinda donít need a 60 Minutes investigation to believe that someone in Lakewood may in fact have corona. AFAIK, the Ihr Hatorahô️ coronavirus exemption is still not yet in effect.

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #189 on: May 31, 2020, 07:16:16 PM »
I see pre-Purim denial mode is back in full force once again. When thereís 2500 new cases a day in NY/NJ, and thereís more new cases in the US yesterday than there was 25 days before, you kinda donít need a 60 Minutes investigation to believe that someone in Lakewood may in fact have corona. AFAIK, the Ihr Hatorahô️ coronavirus exemption is still not yet in effect.

Talk about an agenda. This is about getting reliable data points not proving that it does or doesnít exist. We have several reports of recent symptomatic positive such as Rabbi Rottberg mentioned previously. It is important to know if they fit a pattern and what that pattern is. If they are in strict quarantine and recently went to shul that is a pertinent data point. If they attended a wedding in PA with others from across the US that is a very different data point.

It is obvious that the 20 or so daily positives from the OCHD are a data point but are not going to give us a good picture of whatís really going on.

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #190 on: May 31, 2020, 07:20:01 PM »
Talk about an agenda.
And that would be?
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #191 on: May 31, 2020, 07:49:54 PM »
And that would be?
No idea. Why would anyone asking valid questions

Were you practicing strict social distancing until now? Did you or your spouse travel outside of Lakewood within the past few weeks?

Did you test for the flu or strep? I and many others had symptoms 2+ months ago but still got a positive result 2 months later. It's possible you got the virus a while back and now you're sick with something else. What are your symptoms?

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I see pre-Purim denial mode is back in full force once again.

Sure there are those who were in denial before purim and there will be those in denial if there is a second wave. But valid questions are not something that should be lumped together with them. We ought to focus carefully on the data and the more detailed the data points are the more useful that data is.

I think itís fair to expect some spread with any reopening since a significant amount of people did shelter in place. If and when we do see an uptick in cases it is important to get a good picture. What is the demographic? Is it widespread? Is it leading to significant hospitalizations or chĒv increased mortality? Or is it something to be taken in context as the price of reopening?

And I must say, along with the covid deniers there are extremes on the other side too. Iíve heard people say even one Jewish death is too much and we must keep everything on lockdown unless we can be sure that will not happen.

That is simply not a way to live life. If we looked at every summer season with the tragedies that happen in the water and on the roads, if we looked at every mass event like the siyum hashas and worried over injuries and people getting sick in the cold etc we would be paralyzed with indecision. There is a certain acceptable amount of risk and it has to be proportional. There one acceptable level of risk for a camp wilderness trek. Thereís a different level of acceptable risk for opening shuls and yeshivos and living normal communal Jewish life.

I donít think thereís a consensus of what that level is but it ought to be within a range. And the only way to get a sense of that risk is to get good data. If a second wave comes and is indeed severe (I do not expect to see this) I want to be able to see this in the data so I can be one of the first to take precautions as I did purim time. And if it looks manageable as it does at this point (I do think a number of people getting sick and recovering is an acceptable risk) I want to look at every new data point to see if there are any indications that a close eye should be kept on the situation.

Is it possible we miss the start of a new wave and are caught flatfooted like before purim? Sure. Life is full of risks. As long as our best guess is that that is not the case and the risk is proportional that is the way to go, within reason.



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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #192 on: May 31, 2020, 08:17:24 PM »
@Yard sale

You summed it up best yourself.

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If a second wave comes and is indeed severe (I do not expect to see this)

What do you see now, that you didnít see before Purim, that led you to your conclusion?

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #193 on: May 31, 2020, 09:25:50 PM »
@Yard sale

You summed it up best yourself.

What do you see now, that you didnít see before Purim, that led you to your conclusion?

I was referring specifically to Lakewood and at this time I donít think itís reasonable to expect a second wave of the magnitude that would warrant a continued shutdown. The reasons were enumerated many times in these forums, among them, substantial spread throughout Lakewood in the first wave, some level of continued social distancing even among those who have stopped quarantining, lack of superspreader events that were present during the first wave, far better treatment protocols, and many other such factors that have been discussed on these forums. I am not discounting the possibility, and do not have an agenda to negate any data showing the contrary but that seems to be a reasonable assessment at this time. You are welcome to disagree.

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #194 on: May 31, 2020, 09:29:59 PM »
I may be wrong but the impression I got with the questions that were asked of @happyyyr is that they were innocent questions looking to gather information about a specific situation, as opposed to agenda-driven questions looking to prove a broader theory right or wrong.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #195 on: May 31, 2020, 09:34:26 PM »
I was referring specifically to Lakewood and at this time I donít think itís reasonable to expect a second wave of the magnitude that would warrant a continued shutdown. The reasons were enumerated many times in these forums, among them, substantial spread throughout Lakewood in the first wave, some level of continued social distancing even among those who have stopped quarantining, lack of superspreader events that were present during the first wave, far better treatment protocols, and many other such factors that have been discussed on these forums. I am not discounting the possibility, and do not have an agenda to negate any data showing the contrary but that seems to be a reasonable assessment at this time. You are welcome to disagree.

Yes, the imaginary statistics that you and others are relying on. Before Purim we had similarly scientific reasoning, Lakewood is Ir Hatorah, Lakewood doesnít have any cases, it only affects modox, etc.

As of now, you have no idea what percentage of Lakewood has gotten it. And thereís literally no social distancing for a large percentage of the population and the rest have eased it up a lot. Thereís nothing preventing a second wave besides the one above.

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #196 on: May 31, 2020, 09:50:40 PM »
Yes, the imaginary statistics that you and others are relying on. Before Purim we had similarly scientific reasoning, Lakewood is Ir Hatorah, Lakewood doesnít have any cases, it only affects modox, etc.

As of now, you have no idea what percentage of Lakewood has gotten it. And thereís literally no social distancing for a large percentage of the population and the rest have eased it up a lot. Thereís nothing preventing a second wave besides the one above.

Why are you lumping a reasonable position together with ridiculous ones? Here is my take on it from early on, when many others on DDF were saying there was no evidence it was spreading in the frum community:
Given the incubation period and the fact that itís a frum guy who presumably goes to shul it is exceedingly likely that it is already becoming widespread in the frum community as we speak.
Feel free to take a different position but it doesnít do you any good to lump mine together with the wacko positions.

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #197 on: May 31, 2020, 09:59:12 PM »
I see pre-Purim denial mode is back in full force once again. When thereís 2500 new cases a day in NY/NJ, and thereís more new cases in the US yesterday than there was 25 days before, you kinda donít need a 60 Minutes investigation to believe that someone in Lakewood may in fact have corona. AFAIK, the Ihr Hatorahô️ coronavirus exemption is still not yet in effect.
Yes, the imaginary statistics that you and others are relying on. Before Purim we had similarly scientific reasoning, Lakewood is Ir Hatorah, Lakewood doesnít have any cases, it only affects modox, etc.
You can make your point without your sick attitude

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #198 on: June 01, 2020, 07:53:12 AM »
nursing homes across the tristate area were not able to test everyone back in late March and April when they had their outbreaks.  They are all testing all staff and residents now. Many of them are asymptomatic and are showing up positive.
Back to this.  If people are asymptomatic and showing up positive now, how do we know they're contagious?  If a symptomatic person recovers, they are considered non-contagious.  If an asymptomatic person got it two months ago, and remained asymptomatic the entire time, would they not also become non-contagious at some point?  How exactly would we know when an asymptomatic person was infected and if they are indeed contagious?
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #199 on: June 01, 2020, 07:55:44 AM »
Back to this.  If people are asymptomatic and showing up positive now, how do we know they're contagious?  If a symptomatic person recovers, they are considered non-contagious.  If an asymptomatic person got it two months ago, and remained asymptomatic the entire time, would they not also become non-contagious at some point?  How exactly would we know when an asymptomatic person was infected and if they are indeed contagious?
If they have antibodies they're probably not contagious.
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