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Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach (NEW case)?

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #200 on: June 01, 2020, 07:55:51 AM »
Back to this.  If people are asymptomatic and showing up positive now, how do we know they're contagious?  If a symptomatic person recovers, they are considered non-contagious.  If an asymptomatic person got it two months ago, and remained asymptomatic the entire time, would they not also become non-contagious at some point?  How exactly would we know when an asymptomatic person was infected and if they are indeed contagious?
We donít know that they arenít contagious. That should be enough

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #201 on: June 01, 2020, 08:06:36 AM »
If they have antibodies they're probably not contagious.
Are the nursing homes testing for antibodies as well?
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #202 on: June 01, 2020, 08:44:15 AM »
If they have antibodies they're probably not contagious.
How about people that tested positive for antibodies, then got sick and tested positive for Covid?

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #203 on: June 01, 2020, 08:55:08 AM »
How about people that tested positive for antibodies, then got sick and tested positive for Covid?
You know of people who thatís happened too?

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #204 on: June 01, 2020, 09:17:45 AM »
Are the nursing homes testing for antibodies as well?
I don't think they are, but they can still put them in the COVID unit without putting them at additional risk.
How about people that tested positive for antibodies, then got sick and tested positive for Covid?
They're probably not sick with COVID.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #205 on: June 01, 2020, 09:41:06 AM »
Are the nursing homes testing for antibodies as well?
not the residents. Many tested the staff for antibodies.

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #206 on: June 01, 2020, 09:45:30 AM »
not the residents. Many tested the staff for antibodies.
Only to be told that they still need to test for COVID even if they have antibodies
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #207 on: June 01, 2020, 09:46:33 AM »
Only to be told that they still need to test for COVID even if they have antibodies
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #209 on: June 02, 2020, 10:23:47 PM »
Dr. Fenster sent out an email that all of the main Lakewood practices are collaborating to track new cases. They said there have been 5 new cases in the community over the last week, including one toddler in their practice who has been playing with many children.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #210 on: June 03, 2020, 12:01:39 AM »
Dr. Fenster sent out an email that all of the main Lakewood practices are collaborating to track new cases. They said there have been 5 new cases in the community over the last week, including one toddler in their practice who has been playing with many children.
Do you have a copy of the email?

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #211 on: June 03, 2020, 12:17:18 AM »
Do you have a copy of the email?
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #212 on: June 03, 2020, 12:19:44 AM »
Don't all the local Hatzalas keep track as well? (Obviously that would only mean people who've had it really bad)

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #213 on: June 03, 2020, 12:42:34 AM »

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #214 on: June 03, 2020, 12:45:29 AM »
Don't all the local Hatzalas keep track as well? (Obviously that would only mean people who've had it really bad)
People are more cognizant of Covid-19 now and will seek medical treatment before they get to a state of needing Hatzolah (as opposed to Purim-Pesach).

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #215 on: June 03, 2020, 01:53:55 AM »
Why are you lumping a reasonable position together with ridiculous ones? Here is my take on it from early on, when many others on DDF were saying there was no evidence it was spreading in the frum community:Feel free to take a different position but it doesnít do you any good to lump mine together with the wacko positions.

Forgive me for mocking you with the others. I donít think itís a reasonable position to take based on the lack of evidence spring your position, and the risk associated with getting it wrong. We know corona was basically eradicated from Lakewood, but not entirely, and certainly not for good. Which means if itís reintroduced, and there isnít herd immunity - and based on NYC antibody stats, is extremely reasonable to assume - we are risking lives needlessly with the lack of social distancing. Just like the virus took a while to spread quietly and finally become noticeable after Purim, with all the lockdowns it can take a while for the coin entail spread to rear itís ugly head once again.

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #216 on: June 03, 2020, 01:56:58 AM »
You can make your point without your sick attitude

Repeating what others have mentioned is a sick attitude? While you calling for no social distancing based on absolutely nothing besides complete lack of self control is a beautiful attitude. Got it.

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #217 on: June 03, 2020, 10:40:00 AM »
Forgive me for mocking you with the others. I donít think itís a reasonable position to take based on the lack of evidence spring your position, and the risk associated with getting it wrong. We know corona was basically eradicated from Lakewood, but not entirely, and certainly not for good. Which means if itís reintroduced, and there isnít herd immunity - and based on NYC antibody stats, is extremely reasonable to assume - we are risking lives needlessly with the lack of social distancing. Just like the virus took a while to spread quietly and finally become noticeable after Purim, with all the lockdowns it can take a while for the coin entail spread to rear itís ugly head once again.
I don't think it's reasonable to completely ignore the many differences between now and before purim including
  • There is at least some immunity within our community
  • There is (and will continue to be) a limit on the number of people who can gather, even if it only applies to the biggest events (which are a very big cause of mass spreading)
  • There is still a requirement to wear masks in stores (which are high traffic areas)
  • People are still keeping some social distancing (some people more than others, but enough to at least help the situation)
  • High risk people are still being very careful
  • Regular people are aware to quarantine (or at least try to avoid contact with other people) if they have been exposed or have symptoms
  • Doctors are more aware and don't make fun if people if they ask if they think they have COVID
  • Testing is readily available to identify new cases so we will know if it starts spreading rapidly way earlier than last time

I'm sure some of these have a bigger effect than others, but to ignore the fact that they exist and change the equation significantly is intellectually dishonest.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #218 on: June 03, 2020, 11:21:46 AM »
I don't think it's reasonable to completely ignore the many differences between now and before purim including
  • There is at least some immunity within our community
  • There is (and will continue to be) a limit on the number of people who can gather, even if it only applies to the biggest events (which are the biggest cause of mass spreading)
  • There is still a requirement to wear masks in stores (which are high traffic areas)
  • People are still keeping some social distancing (some people more than others, but enough to at least help the situation)
  • High risk people are still being very careful
  • Regular people are aware to quarantine (or at least try to avoid contact with other people) if they have been exposed or have symptoms
  • Doctors are more aware and don't make fun if people if they ask if they think they have COVID
  • Testing is readily available to identify new cases so we will know if it starts spreading rapidly way earlier than last time

I'm sure some of these have a bigger effect than others, but to ignore the fact that they exist and change the equation significantly is intellectually dishonest.
All of these are good points other than 2.

The biggest causes of mass spreading are most likely offices, shuls, and batei medrash (and the like)
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #219 on: June 03, 2020, 11:22:32 AM »
All of these are good points other than 2.

The biggest causes of mass spreading are most likely offices, shuls, and batei medrash (and the like)
IF they stay within the legal limits, there will be much less spreading than if they don't
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