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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #300 on: July 02, 2020, 09:10:44 AM »
IDK, driving around today I saw plenty without masks, not even on their chins
Guess neighborhoods matter. Any semi-busy street in my parts (or along yaffo) you won't see a person walking without a mask.



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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #301 on: July 02, 2020, 09:15:48 AM »
Evidently not, or they wouldn't come to my house. They decided not to live stream their wedding so as not to evoke criticism in their community, which would be inevitable watching a wedding where it's likely that very few will be wearing masks.
So they weren't fearful, just uncomfortable enough that they didn't allow their own community to share in their simcha?

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #302 on: July 02, 2020, 09:18:40 AM »
Speak for yourself. When I wear a mask I need to open it up to get a few breaths of air every couple of minutes. Yes, it is an imposition.
You, @avromie7, are hereby absolved from having to wear a mask.
But you should double down on social distancing and hand washing.

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #303 on: July 02, 2020, 09:20:02 AM »
So they weren't fearful, just uncomfortable enough that they didn't allow their own community to share in their simcha?

I'm not going to try to practice psychology. And I'm not sure why you put the two issues in one sentence.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #304 on: July 02, 2020, 09:20:35 AM »
You, @avromie7, are hereby absolved from having to wear a mask.
But you should double down on social distancing and hand washing.
So are you saying 12ft rather than 6ft?
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #305 on: July 02, 2020, 09:39:41 AM »
Get a better mask.

Any recommendation?
Spent a full day yesterday in the ER with a mask It wasn't easy
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #306 on: July 02, 2020, 09:40:14 AM »
I'm not going to try to practice psychology. And I'm not sure why you put the two issues in one sentence.
Thinking about how other people feel isn't "practicing psychology". 

I put them in one sentence because (a) they both seemed to deal with your guests' feelings, and (b) you put them in one paragraph and (c) I'm practicing writing more concisely.

And (d), I'm not picking on you, but upset about a couple I know with underlying conditions who made the long drive from OOT to Lakewood for a vort, and wore a mask when entering the home of the machatonim, who did not wear a mask themselves.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #307 on: July 02, 2020, 10:38:40 AM »
Speak for yourself. When I wear a mask I need to open it up to get a few breaths of air every couple of minutes. Yes, it is an imposition.
As a rule, I am always speaking for myself. In no way did I imply that I am speaking on behalf of the DDFC or any community for that matter.

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #308 on: July 02, 2020, 10:42:10 AM »
Any recommendation?
Spent a full day yesterday in the ER with a mask It wasn't easy
I had the classic reply light blue mask
The surgical mask is probably one of the easiest to wear. What was the issue?
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #309 on: July 02, 2020, 10:44:47 AM »
I think anyone being intellectually honest will agree that wearing a mask is a small tradoff (and not an imposition).
As a rule, I am always speaking for myself. In no way did I imply that I am speaking on behalf of the DDFC or any community for that matter.
How can "anyone being intellectually honest" be speaking only for yourself?
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #310 on: July 02, 2020, 10:45:01 AM »
Did I? In any event, the Israeli ministry of health (supposedly relying on the CDC and/or WHO) claim that it is unknown if antibodies provide any immunity.

See: https://www.health.gov.il/Subjects/disease/corona/Documents/bz-259782620.pdf

Then you can let the Israeli Ministry of Health know that you have a person of unknown infectious status who has yet to infect people with antibodies if that’s what you mean by the all clear.

Your inviting Floridians to stay at your house belies your entire underlying attitude about how herd immunity is what will keep the community safe. What’s your excuse for allowing people from a highly infectious place to stay in the community? Are you positive they don’t have COVID? Herd immunity will not protect at least *some* people from contracting COVID if you introduce a new infectious case.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #311 on: July 02, 2020, 10:46:44 AM »
How can "anyone being intellectually honest" be speaking for yourself?
Is that really fair?
How can "anyone being intellectually honest" speaking for others?  ;)
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #312 on: July 02, 2020, 10:50:15 AM »
How can "anyone being intellectually honest" be speaking for yourself?
Because you’re not being intellectually honest, obviously. If you had to wear a mask because you’d die otherwise you’d get used to it real fast like glasses, seatbelts, life jackets, or any other “imposition”. Within a week you’d forget it existed and it would be second nature. You *never* gave it that chance because from day one you’ve been in denial about the efficacy of communal mask wearing. (Unless you have underlying respiratory issues, which you said you don’t have).

Mask wearing is literally a tiny step to take that would greatly improve safety overall but as I’ve pointed out there seem to be religious objections to it. It’s what made me realize this was never about government overreach or “lockdown issues”, but always about selfishness and personal comfort. Mask wearing will be uncomfortable for anyone in the beginning. But for some reason doctors, nurses, food industry workers etc. who are required to wear masks all day figure it out and live with it.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #313 on: July 02, 2020, 10:56:47 AM »
Because you’re not being intellectually honest, obviously. If you had to wear a mask because you’d die otherwise you’d get used to it real fast like glasses, seatbelts, life jackets, or any other “imposition”. Within a week you’d forget it existed and it would be second nature. You *never* gave it that chance because from day one you’ve been in denial about the efficacy of communal mask wearing. (Unless you have underlying respiratory issues, which you said you don’t have).

Mask wearing is literally a tiny step to take that would greatly improve safety overall but as I’ve pointed out there seem to be religious objections to it. It’s what made me realize this was never about government overreach or “lockdown issues”, but always about selfishness and personal comfort. Mask wearing will be uncomfortable for anyone in the beginning. But for some reason doctors, nurses, food industry workers etc. who are required to wear masks all day figure it out and live with it.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #314 on: July 02, 2020, 10:59:11 AM »
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #315 on: July 02, 2020, 11:00:10 AM »
Because you’re not being intellectually honest, obviously. If you had to wear a mask, because you’d die otherwise, you’d get used to it real fast like glasses or any other “imposition”. Within a week you’d forget it existed and it would be second nature. You *never* gave it that chance because from day one you’ve been in denial about the efficacy of communal mask wearing. (Unless you have underlying respiratory issues, which you said you don’t have).

Mask wearing is literally a tiny step to take that would greatly improve safety overall but as I’ve pointed out there seem to be religious objections to it. It’s what made me realize this was never about government overreach or “lockdown issues”, but always about selfishness and personal comfort. Mask wearing will be uncomfortable for anyone in the beginning. But for some reason doctors, nurses, food industry workers etc, that are required to wear masks all day figure it out and live with it.
You're not following the conversation, he said "anyone who's being intelectually honest..." to which I said speak for yourself. His response was "I'm speaking for myself".

As far as your claim that it's a tiny step, I can scream until I'm blue in the face but you don't seem to care (and then claim you're the only one being intellectually honest) so I won't continue. I've heard the same from many other people. I sure am happy I don't work in a field that requires all day mask wearing, because I'm not sure what I would do.

I see you believe government overreach is impossible, because any time there is government overreach people are only upset because they're selfish.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #316 on: July 02, 2020, 11:01:55 AM »
You're not following the conversation, he said "anyone who's being intelectually honest..." to which I said speak for yourself. His response was "I'm speaking for myself".

As far as your claim that it's a tiny step, I can scream until I'm blue in the face but you don't seem to care (and then claim you're the only one being intellectually honest) so I won't continue. I've heard the same from many other people. I sure am happy I don't work in a field that requires all day mask wearing, because I'm not sure what I would do.

I see you believe government overreach is impossible, because any time there is government overreach people are only upset because they're selfish.
You would wear a mask.

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #317 on: July 02, 2020, 11:06:26 AM »
You would wear a mask.
Or wear it on his chin like the rest of the food industry

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #318 on: July 02, 2020, 11:09:48 AM »
You would wear a mask.
Or wear it on his chin like the rest of the food industry
Or find a new career, or come up with some other solution.

Every time we have these discussions where people say "wear a mask, it's not a big deal" it makes me think there isn't actually any science to back it up (as I've heard there are many infectious disease doctors who believe they don't help), it just makes people feel good because they feel they're "doing something".
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #319 on: July 02, 2020, 11:12:40 AM »
Here’s an easy way to outsource the question to a knowledgeable third party whether people wearing masks amid a potential COVID outbreak is akin to not driving anywhere, ever or if it is like reasonable restrictions (nobody under 21 drive in the country, no speeding or driving drunk, seatbelts, etc.)

I think anyone being intellectually honest will agree that wearing a mask is a small tradoff (and not an imposition).
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To clarify the above, I was responding in this context.
I believe government has the right to mandate (for example by EO) for people to wear masks. As from a constitutional perspective, I don't consider it to be an imposition, similar to seatbelts etc. not so in the case of total lockdowns where it is a great imposition, and restricts our basic freedoms (possibly Article 4) and therefore the onus would be on government to prove a major necessity in doing so.