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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #315 on: July 02, 2020, 11:00:10 AM »
Because youíre not being intellectually honest, obviously. If you had to wear a mask, because youíd die otherwise, youíd get used to it real fast like glasses or any other ďimpositionĒ. Within a week youíd forget it existed and it would be second nature. You *never* gave it that chance because from day one youíve been in denial about the efficacy of communal mask wearing. (Unless you have underlying respiratory issues, which you said you donít have).

Mask wearing is literally a tiny step to take that would greatly improve safety overall but as Iíve pointed out there seem to be religious objections to it. Itís what made me realize this was never about government overreach or ďlockdown issuesĒ, but always about selfishness and personal comfort. Mask wearing will be uncomfortable for anyone in the beginning. But for some reason doctors, nurses, food industry workers etc, that are required to wear masks all day figure it out and live with it.
You're not following the conversation, he said "anyone who's being intelectually honest..." to which I said speak for yourself. His response was "I'm speaking for myself".

As far as your claim that it's a tiny step, I can scream until I'm blue in the face but you don't seem to care (and then claim you're the only one being intellectually honest) so I won't continue. I've heard the same from many other people. I sure am happy I don't work in a field that requires all day mask wearing, because I'm not sure what I would do.

I see you believe government overreach is impossible, because any time there is government overreach people are only upset because they're selfish.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #316 on: July 02, 2020, 11:01:55 AM »
You're not following the conversation, he said "anyone who's being intelectually honest..." to which I said speak for yourself. His response was "I'm speaking for myself".

As far as your claim that it's a tiny step, I can scream until I'm blue in the face but you don't seem to care (and then claim you're the only one being intellectually honest) so I won't continue. I've heard the same from many other people. I sure am happy I don't work in a field that requires all day mask wearing, because I'm not sure what I would do.

I see you believe government overreach is impossible, because any time there is government overreach people are only upset because they're selfish.
You would wear a mask.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #317 on: July 02, 2020, 11:06:26 AM »
You would wear a mask.
Or wear it on his chin like the rest of the food industry

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #318 on: July 02, 2020, 11:09:48 AM »
You would wear a mask.
Or wear it on his chin like the rest of the food industry
Or find a new career, or come up with some other solution.

Every time we have these discussions where people say "wear a mask, it's not a big deal" it makes me think there isn't actually any science to back it up (as I've heard there are many infectious disease doctors who believe they don't help), it just makes people feel good because they feel they're "doing something".
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #319 on: July 02, 2020, 11:12:40 AM »
Hereís an easy way to outsource the question to a knowledgeable third party whether people wearing masks amid a potential COVID outbreak is akin to not driving anywhere, ever or if it is like reasonable restrictions (nobody under 21 drive in the country, no speeding or driving drunk, seatbelts, etc.)

I think anyone being intellectually honest will agree that wearing a mask is a small tradoff (and not an imposition).
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To clarify the above, I was responding in this context.
I believe government has the right to mandate (for example by EO) for people to wear masks. As from a constitutional perspective, I don't consider it to be an imposition, similar to seatbelts etc. not so in the case of total lockdowns where it is a great imposition, and restricts our basic freedoms (possibly Article 4) and therefore the onus would be on government to prove a major necessity in doing so.

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #320 on: July 02, 2020, 11:28:27 AM »
Then you can let the Israeli Ministry of Health know that you have a person of unknown infectious status who has yet to infect people with antibodies if thatís what you mean by the all clear.

I honestly don't know what you're trying to say here.

Your inviting Floridians to stay at your house belies your entire underlying attitude about how herd immunity is what will keep the community safe. Whatís your excuse for allowing people from a highly infectious place to stay in the community? Are you positive they donít have COVID? Herd immunity will not protect at least *some* people from contracting COVID if you introduce a new infectious case.

You are making way too many assumptions recently. I honestly think that COVID-19 is having a bad effect on you. Maybe a vacation might help.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #321 on: July 02, 2020, 11:31:45 AM »
The surgical mask is probably one of the easiest to wear. What was the issue?
Other than one old one I had at home (obtained last year for bad allergy days for my son) that actually fit without feeling that my ears are about to be cut off, and seems semi-breathable, all the newer ones (mostly of Chinese origin) are too small/tight and not very breathable.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #322 on: July 02, 2020, 11:35:33 AM »
Or find a new career, or come up with some other solution.

Every time we have these discussions where people say "wear a mask, it's not a big deal" it makes me think there isn't actually any science to back it up (as I've heard there are many infectious disease doctors who believe they don't help), it just makes people feel good because they feel they're "doing something".

Not sure if there's any science about it being "not a big deal" but I think it's pretty obvious that it could protect others, and possibly the wearer too. That being said, I'm not sure how much of an additional benefit they provide once social distancing is kept.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #323 on: July 02, 2020, 11:41:55 AM »
Did I? In any event, the Israeli ministry of health (supposedly relying on the CDC and/or WHO) claim that it is unknown if antibodies provide any immunity.

See: https://www.health.gov.il/Subjects/disease/corona/Documents/bz-259782620.pdf
Then you can let the Israeli Ministry of Health know that you have a person with antibodies ,of unknown infectious status, who has yet to infect people.if thatís what you mean by the all clear.

I honestly don't know what you're trying to say here.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #324 on: July 02, 2020, 11:45:05 AM »
once social distancing is kept.
a big assumption in our communities...

I've been called "the only guy in ch still wearing one" (or heckled, as discussed) for wearing in crowded indoor settings

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #325 on: July 02, 2020, 11:55:48 AM »
a big assumption in our communities...

I've been called "the only guy in ch still wearing one" (or heckled, as discussed) for wearing in crowded indoor settings

Have you seen 770 lately? A wedding? A grocery store?

Are you joking? With my profile picture is it even a question whether I have been to 770 lately?

Not sure if you're trying to refute the claim that it is debatable as to how much additional protection is offered by a mask when social distancing is adhered to.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #326 on: July 02, 2020, 12:09:46 PM »
I honestly don't know what you're trying to say here.

You are making way too many assumptions recently. I honestly think that COVID-19 is having a bad effect on you. Maybe a vacation might help.
You wanted to sound the all clear based on your experience. I am saying you should go ahead and let that lone Israeli minister in on the memo that your antibodies protected you (from a person of unknown infectivity).

What assumptions did I make? I *asked* but did not *assume* whether you are confident the guests do not have COVID. If youíre sure, than clearly you have no proof of antibodies offering protection (which you inferred). If youíre not sure, then it was dangerous and wrong to host people from a virus hotspot and potentially introduce new infectious people into CH (against the clear advice of the *local* medical establishment).
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #327 on: July 02, 2020, 12:10:22 PM »
 My point is that
when social distancing is adhered to.
is an irrelevant hypothetical.

Let's talk about the benefits they bring in the real world situations we live in.

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #328 on: July 02, 2020, 12:15:42 PM »
You're not following the conversation, he said "anyone who's being intelectually honest..." to which I said speak for yourself. His response was "I'm speaking for myself".

As far as your claim that it's a tiny step, I can scream until I'm blue in the face but you don't seem to care (and then claim you're the only one being intellectually honest) so I won't continue. I've heard the same from many other people. I sure am happy I don't work in a field that requires all day mask wearing, because I'm not sure what I would do.

I see you believe government overreach is impossible, because any time there is government overreach people are only upset because they're selfish.
Iím not denying you think masks are an imposition, Iím saying you didnít try hard enough. I donít believe youíre being intellectually honest. For some reason people who have been more serious about COVID have had no issues with masks (once they got used to it) but people who have been in denial all along canít breathe. See the pattern?

Do you honestly think that all doctors and nurses prepared to go into that field by making sure theyíre ok with wearing masks? Or do you think doctors and nurses have changed careers because they have to wear masks now? Come now, thatís the definition of intellectually dishonest. Ask a doctor just how hard they find it once theyíre used to it.

Everyone who works in a hospital wears a mask all day. Theyíre all doing just fine and donít need to take it off every few minutes to breathe. Donít forget many of them are wearing far more restrictive masks than you are.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #329 on: July 02, 2020, 12:17:43 PM »
Iím not denying you think masks are an imposition, Iím saying you didnít try hard enough. I donít believe youíre being intellectually honest. For some reason people who have been more serious about COVID have had no issues with masks (once they got used to it) but people who have been in denial all along canít breathe. See the pattern?

Do you honestly think that all doctors and nurses prepared to go into that field by making sure theyíre ok with wearing masks? Or do you think doctors and nurses have changed careers because they have to wear masks now? Come now, thatís the definition of intellectually dishonest. Ask a doctor just how hard they find it once theyíre used to it.

Everyone who works in a hospital wears a mask all day. Theyíre all doing just fine and donít need to take it off every few minutes to breathe. Donít forget many of them are wearing far more restrictive masks than you are.
You're not following the conversation, he said "anyone who's being intelectually honest..." to which I said speak for yourself. His response was "I'm speaking for myself".

As far as your claim that it's a tiny step, I can scream until I'm blue in the face but you don't seem to care (and then claim you're the only one being intellectually honest) so I won't continue. I've heard the same from many other people. I sure am happy I don't work in a field that requires all day mask wearing, because I'm not sure what I would do.

I see you believe government overreach is impossible, because any time there is government overreach people are only upset because they're selfish.
I can't argue with denial of reality.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.