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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #330 on: July 02, 2020, 12:18:38 PM »
I can't argue with denial of reality.
Thank you, that would have been a more concise way for me to put it.

As I said, I do believe you think that way.

ETA: Where did you see I donít believe overreach *could* happen? Iím saying you lose neíemanus when youíre consistent with your approach even to a point where overreach *isnít* an issue. I personally *do* believe there has been overreach here. But I donít think that was your big problem. It was a rationalization.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #331 on: July 02, 2020, 12:24:07 PM »
Are you joking? With my profile picture is it even a question whether I have been to 770 lately?

Not sure if you're trying to refute the claim that it is debatable as to how much additional protection is offered by a mask when social distancing is adhered to.

So here's my question for you:

The latest update from The Gedalia Society (https://covid19ch.blogspot.com/2020/06/covid-19-update-34.html?m=1) discussed the recent positive Covid tests in CH from people who were previously infected months before. They give 3 possible explanations for the positive results: a) old, dead virus causing false positives; b) new infection caught from someone else; and c) these are flare ups of the first infection, which never left, just stayed dormant. The assumption of viral shed for both 'b' and 'c' follows the assumptions of any Covid positive, in that you are considered contagious if you're symptomatic, and should be careful for a period after symptoms leave just to be sure.


Given that reinfections are happening in CH, and visitors are coming from all over the world still, and social distancing is not happening anywhere in CH, and your position on the value of masks, how do you justify anyone not wearing a mask in CH?
Please wear a mask.

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #332 on: July 02, 2020, 01:11:00 PM »
The surgical mask is probably one of the easiest to wear. What was the issue?
I wore one for just 1.5 hours and was left with a smashing headache
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #333 on: July 02, 2020, 01:14:02 PM »
I can't argue with denial of reality.
Comes from the guy who says masks don't work. You can't make this stuff up.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #334 on: July 02, 2020, 01:14:50 PM »
I wore one for just 1.5 hours and was left with a smashing headache
Do others work better or you just can't wear one?
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #335 on: July 02, 2020, 01:16:11 PM »
Do others work better or you just can't wear one?
I have the same issue with all. And I work in healthcare so it's an issue. At this point I just stay out of patient care areas as much as possible and guard my chin.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #336 on: July 02, 2020, 02:26:06 PM »
Speak for yourself. When I wear a mask I need to open it up to get a few breaths of air every couple of minutes. Yes, it is an imposition.
I'm going against the crowd here and sticking up for @avromie7 .  He doesn't have to wear a mask.  Yes, 100% of people should wear a mask, but if we got to 97% we'd be good with that. Avromie7 can be in the 3%.

There are various conditions that make mask-wearing almost impossible, such as COPD, asthma, PTSD, severe anxiety, certain allergies, claustrophobia, autism and cerebral palsy, among others.  We don't have to know what particular issue avromie7 has, but he's made it clear that he's an outlier, and that wearing a mask causes him more suffering than the majority of other people.

Here's some advice for those with problems wearing a mask, which includes staying home as much as possible, experimenting at home with wearing a mask to get used to it, trying different mask types, minimize time spent outdoors:

https://creakyjoints.org/living-with-arthritis/coronavirus/managing-symptoms/difficulty-breathing-face-mask-asthma-lung-disease/

And avromie7, if your Rov said you could eat on Yom Kippur because of some medical condition, would you proclaim it from the bima throughout the day?  I didn't think so.  So you personally can't wear a mask, okay, we get it, you'll deal with it.  But it's not necessarily relevant to what's best for the rest of society.

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #337 on: July 02, 2020, 02:53:18 PM »
I'm going against the crowd here and sticking up for @avromie7 .  He doesn't have to wear a mask.  Yes, 100% of people should wear a mask, but if we got to 97% we'd be good with that. Avromie7 can be in the 3%.

There are various conditions that make mask-wearing almost impossible, such as COPD, asthma, PTSD, severe anxiety, certain allergies, claustrophobia, autism and cerebral palsy, among others.  We don't have to know what particular issue avromie7 has, but he's made it clear that he's an outlier, and that wearing a mask causes him more suffering than the majority of other people.

Here's some advice for those with problems wearing a mask, which includes staying home as much as possible, experimenting at home with wearing a mask to get used to it, trying different mask types, minimize time spent outdoors:

https://creakyjoints.org/living-with-arthritis/coronavirus/managing-symptoms/difficulty-breathing-face-mask-asthma-lung-disease/

And avromie7, if your Rov said you could eat on Yom Kippur because of some medical condition, would you proclaim it from the bima throughout the day?  I didn't think so.  So you personally can't wear a mask, okay, we get it, you'll deal with it.  But it's not necessarily relevant to what's best for the rest of society.
At first my issue was with people saying "it's not a big deal", even now I wear a mask when necessary. After reading this thread I've come to the realization that masks are little more than a way to make people feel like they're "doing something".

As far as why I find it uncomfortable, I don't have any respiratory condition but this quote from the article you posted sounds right:
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The physical barrier of the mask makes it harder to take in air; it also traps some carbon dioxide as you exhale, which means you end up breathing in air that is warmer and moister.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #338 on: July 02, 2020, 03:00:43 PM »
At first my issue was with people saying "it's not a big deal", even now I wear a mask when necessary. After reading this thread I've come to the realization that masks are little more than a way to make people feel like they're "doing something".
If you came to that realization by reading this thread, then you should read something else!  Try this:

https://www.masktoprotect.org/


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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #339 on: July 02, 2020, 05:44:37 PM »
At first my issue was with people saying "it's not a big deal", even now I wear a mask when necessary. After reading this thread I've come to the realization that masks are little more than a way to make people feel like they're "doing something".

As far as why I find it uncomfortable, I don't have any respiratory condition but this quote from the article you posted sounds right:

Have you tried anything other than masks? Bandana, scarf, cloth, etc. You might find it easier, though I haven't tried. Some N95 are really easy to breathe in (and some are quite difficult). You can also use this - it makes breathing really easy: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B087TD169N

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #340 on: July 02, 2020, 05:57:52 PM »
So you personally can't wear a mask, okay, we get it, you'll deal with it.  But it's not necessarily relevant to what's best for the rest of society.
...and we have a winner!  :)
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #341 on: July 02, 2020, 06:45:30 PM »
Have you tried anything other than masks? Bandana, scarf, cloth, etc. You might find it easier, though I haven't tried. Some N95 are really easy to breathe in (and some are quite difficult). You can also use this - it makes breathing really easy: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B087TD169N
I actually just tried my Trump mask today (I wore it backwards because I felt a little uncomfortable) and it was definitely a lot better than the surgical mask. It was only for a short shopping trip and it wasn't too hot inside, I'll have to see how it works for longer periods and when the store is hot.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #342 on: July 02, 2020, 07:17:54 PM »
You wanted to sound the all clear based on your experience. I am saying you should go ahead and let that lone Israeli minister in on the memo that your antibodies protected you (from a person of unknown infectivity).

Everything in context. I responded to your post saying that:
Just about everyone agrees at this point that antibodies work (for some time).
Showing you an example of those those that disagree.


What assumptions did I make? I *asked* but did not *assume* whether you are confident the guests do not have COVID. If youíre sure, than clearly you have no proof of antibodies offering protection (which you inferred). If youíre not sure, then it was dangerous and wrong to host people from a virus hotspot and potentially introduce new infectious people into CH (against the clear advice of the *local* medical establishment).

I really think you can use a vacation. You supposedly ask a question, and don't even wait a NY minute for a response (not that one was really that essential, all you had to do is go back and read your quotes and try to find which verbs you attribute to others without basis).

While you might not know me personally, I think I've posted quite a bit on DDF, so you might have figured out that guests are rarely invited to my home. As a matter of fact this past Pesach was a rather unique time (with the Yeshiva closed) where we actually invited some guests. Otherwise our house operates on a כל דכפין ייתי ויכול without any requirement for those that wish to enter our doors to be hungry.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #343 on: July 02, 2020, 07:28:33 PM »
So here's my question for you:

...
Given that reinfections are happening in CH, and visitors are coming from all over the world still, and social distancing is not happening anywhere in CH, and your position on the value of masks, how do you justify anyone not wearing a mask in CH?

My point is that is an irrelevant hypothetical.

Is it up to me to justify anyone? I speak only for myself. And actually seeing the most recent (no. 35) Gedalia Society update, as well as updates from Lakewood, have me pondering whether I should seek out someone with COVID-19 so I can get reinfected and have a positive PCR test.

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #344 on: July 02, 2020, 07:31:35 PM »
So they weren't fearful, just uncomfortable enough that they didn't allow their own community to share in their simcha?

The Chuppah was broadcast on Zoom, so the Floridians wore masks. Once Zoom was over, so were the masks.
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