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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #465 on: July 09, 2020, 01:30:50 PM »
Other than the part about reinfection thereís nothing surprising in what he said. Kind of like the baal shem stories- if you believe everything ditchek says you are a fool, but if you donít believe it could have happened...

People are confusing herd immunity with eradication. Itís a fact that not every single person, even in the hardest hit communities has had the virus and is immune, especially those who took strict precautions. Thereís no magic- if a stream of infected people coming from Florida, California, Israel etc. circulate in Lakewood and other communities, there will be some who get infected. The question is if it can lead to a massive outbreak, or if there is sufficient herd immunity to prevent secondary waves that continue to spread throughout the community, and we can expect a limited number of positives that remain fairly limited as people come out of quarantine and relax precautions. I believe the latter is true in Lakewood but the coming weeks should provide an answer.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #466 on: July 09, 2020, 02:24:24 PM »
Other than the part about reinfection thereís nothing surprising in what he said. Kind of like the baal shem stories- if you believe everything ditchek says you are a fool, but if you donít believe it could have happened...

People are confusing herd immunity with eradication. Itís a fact that not every single person, even in the hardest hit communities has had the virus and is immune, especially those who took strict precautions. Thereís no magic- if a stream of infected people coming from Florida, California, Israel etc. circulate in Lakewood and other communities, there will be some who get infected. The question is if it can lead to a massive outbreak, or if there is sufficient herd immunity to prevent secondary waves that continue to spread throughout the community, and we can expect a limited number of positives that remain fairly limited as people come out of quarantine and relax precautions. I believe the latter is true in Lakewood but the coming weeks should provide an answer.

Well written. In your opinion, what is the main concern regarding a second wave? Is it the amount of people getting sick, the restrictions it will trigger, or something else?
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #467 on: July 09, 2020, 02:47:27 PM »
Well written. In your opinion, what is the main concern regarding a second wave? Is it the amount of people getting sick, the restrictions it will trigger, or something else?
I think overwhelming the system (running out of ventilators, ICU capacity) in Lakewood is pretty much off the table at this point so if one were to be concerned about a second wave I think the concern would be first regarding the vulnerable population. If the virus were to be widespread it becomes difficult to impossible to prevent exposure to vulnerable people, even those taking proper precautions. I have an immunocompromised relative who didnít leave her home in March and April yet she had antibodies. Was it the supermarket delivery guy who touched the boxes? Was it virus that somehow made its way onto our gloves when we dropped off necessities? Itís hard to know.

The second concern would be the sheer numbers of people contracting the virus would likely mean some serious cases or even fatalities in the general healthy population, despite the fact that the number of those suffering serious long term side effects (or fatalities) in the general healthy population is very small. This second concern assumes that a vaccine or efficacious treatment  is eventually developed in a reasonable amount of time. Otherwise these individuals would have likely contracted the virus at some point in the future in any case.

Again nothing that would indicate such a scenario at this time.

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #468 on: July 09, 2020, 02:50:21 PM »
I have an immunocompromised relative who didnít leave her home in March and April yet she had antibodies. Was it the supermarket delivery guy who touched the boxes? Was it virus that somehow made its way onto our gloves when we dropped off necessities? Itís hard to know.
Or she contracted the virus before we knew it was spreading.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #469 on: July 09, 2020, 02:55:03 PM »
Or she contracted the virus before we knew it was spreading.

Didn't @chevron mention at some point that immunocompromised people (or was it people on immunosuppressants?) were actually not getting that sick, something to do with not having a cytokine storm?
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #470 on: July 09, 2020, 02:55:10 PM »
Or she contracted the virus before we knew it was spreading.
Yup, like me.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #471 on: July 09, 2020, 03:00:34 PM »
Yup, like me.
Skver is also under the impression that the rebbeh got it in February.

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #472 on: July 09, 2020, 03:02:10 PM »
Or she contracted the virus before we knew it was spreading.
True. There are others I know of who took precautions and had onset of symptoms some time afterward.

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #473 on: July 09, 2020, 03:02:27 PM »
Didn't @chevron mention at some point that immunocompromised people (or was it people on immunosuppressants?) were actually not getting that sick, something to do with not having a cytokine storm?

Some people who are on immunosuppressants their drugs are actually blocking the virus from attacking the body

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #474 on: July 09, 2020, 03:15:10 PM »
Skver is also under the impression that the rebbeh got it in February.
Which rebbishe magazine reports this?
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #475 on: July 09, 2020, 03:17:29 PM »
The guy is a straight liar. Heís been caught lying so many different times throughout the last couple months. I wonít believe anything the guy ever says again.
@Afrages6 or anyone else... do you have any examples of him lying?
This video was forwarded to a family member who just locked down her family totally as a result. Need some help discrediting him or at least make some room in their mind that he may just be wrong.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #476 on: July 09, 2020, 03:19:41 PM »
@Afrages6 or anyone else... do you have any examples of him lying?
This video was forwarded to a family member who just locked down her family totally as a result. Need some help discrediting him or at least make some room in their mind that he may just be wrong.
TIA
Why would it bother you if a family member was being more cautious?
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #477 on: July 09, 2020, 03:19:56 PM »
Which rebbishe magazine reports this?
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #478 on: July 09, 2020, 03:21:13 PM »
@Afrages6 or anyone else... do you have any examples of him lying?
This video was forwarded to a family member who just locked down her family totally as a result. Need some help discrediting him or at least make some room in their mind that he may just be wrong.
TIA

Two months ago he claimed that camps were already told that they arenít being allowed to open and they are just trying to steal your money if they tell you that they are opening. He also had that long voice note which he sent around about Lakewood and how he tried to get the porch minyanim too stop after the rabbanim allowed them which was filled with lies.

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« Reply #479 on: July 09, 2020, 03:22:06 PM »
Two months ago he claimed that camps were already told that they arenít being allowed to open and they are just trying to steal your money if they tell you that they are opening. He also had that long voice note which he sent around about Lakewood and how he tried to get the porch minyanim too stop after the rabbanim allowed them which was filled with lies.
Wasnít this obviously true?
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