Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?

[Afrages6]

Back to this.  If people are asymptomatic and showing up positive now, how do we know they're contagious?  If a symptomatic person recovers, they are considered non-contagious.  If an asymptomatic person got it two months ago, and remained asymptomatic the entire time, would they not also become non-contagious at some point?  How exactly would we know when an asymptomatic person was infected and if they are indeed contagious?

We don’t know that they aren’t contagious. That should be enough

[SSLPhD]

If they have antibodies they're probably not contagious.

Are the nursing homes testing for antibodies as well?

[moish]

If they have antibodies they're probably not contagious.

How about people that tested positive for antibodies, then got sick and tested positive for Covid?

[Afrages6]

How about people that tested positive for antibodies, then got sick and tested positive for Covid?

You know of people who that’s happened too?

[avromie7]

Are the nursing homes testing for antibodies as well?

I don't think they are, but they can still put them in the COVID unit without putting them at additional risk.

How about people that tested positive for antibodies, then got sick and tested positive for Covid?

They're probably not sick with COVID.

[how]

Are the nursing homes testing for antibodies as well?

not the residents. Many tested the staff for antibodies.

[Ergel]

not the residents. Many tested the staff for antibodies.

Only to be told that they still need to test for COVID even if they have antibodies

[how]

Only to be told that they still need to test for COVID even if they have antibodies

yup

[good sam]

Viruses often mutate. It could be that it is growing weaker with the passage of time.

This is interesting

https://hamodia.com/2020/05/31/new-coronavirus-losing-potency-top-italian-doctor-says/

[S209]

Dr. Fenster sent out an email that all of the main Lakewood practices are collaborating to track new cases. They said there have been 5 new cases in the community over the last week, including one toddler in their practice who has been playing with many children.

[joeberg]

Dr. Fenster sent out an email that all of the main Lakewood practices are collaborating to track new cases. They said there have been 5 new cases in the community over the last week, including one toddler in their practice who has been playing with many children.

Do you have a copy of the email?

[yesitsme]

Do you have a copy of the email?

PLEASE DO NOT FORWARD THIS EMAIL OR POST IT IN A PUBLIC FORUM.

[elimmm]

Don't all the local Hatzalas keep track as well? (Obviously that would only mean people who've had it really bad)

[Euclid]

THIS EMAIL IS INTENDED FOR FAMILIES OF KINDER PEDIATRICS
OR OTHER FAMILIES WHO SEEK THE GUIDANCE OF KINDER PEDIATRICS.
PLEASE DO NOT FORWARD THIS EMAIL OR POST IT IN A PUBLIC FORUM.
FAMILIES WHO WISH TO ADD THEIR EMAIL ADDRESS
TO THIS LIST SERVE ARE WELCOME TO DO SO.

Please delete this post.

[Euclid]

Don't all the local Hatzalas keep track as well? (Obviously that would only mean people who've had it really bad)

People are more cognizant of Covid-19 now and will seek medical treatment before they get to a state of needing Hatzolah (as opposed to Purim-Pesach).

[yuneeq]

Why are you lumping a reasonable position together with ridiculous ones? Here is my take on it from early on, when many others on DDF were saying there was no evidence it was spreading in the frum community:Feel free to take a different position but it doesn’t do you any good to lump mine together with the wacko positions.

Forgive me for mocking you with the others. I don’t think it’s a reasonable position to take based on the lack of evidence spring your position, and the risk associated with getting it wrong. We know corona was basically eradicated from Lakewood, but not entirely, and certainly not for good. Which means if it’s reintroduced, and there isn’t herd immunity - and based on NYC antibody stats, is extremely reasonable to assume - we are risking lives needlessly with the lack of social distancing. Just like the virus took a while to spread quietly and finally become noticeable after Purim, with all the lockdowns it can take a while for the coin entail spread to rear it’s ugly head once again.

[yuneeq]

You can make your point without your sick attitude

Repeating what others have mentioned is a sick attitude? While you calling for no social distancing based on absolutely nothing besides complete lack of self control is a beautiful attitude. Got it.

[avromie7]

Forgive me for mocking you with the others. I don’t think it’s a reasonable position to take based on the lack of evidence spring your position, and the risk associated with getting it wrong. We know corona was basically eradicated from Lakewood, but not entirely, and certainly not for good. Which means if it’s reintroduced, and there isn’t herd immunity - and based on NYC antibody stats, is extremely reasonable to assume - we are risking lives needlessly with the lack of social distancing. Just like the virus took a while to spread quietly and finally become noticeable after Purim, with all the lockdowns it can take a while for the coin entail spread to rear it’s ugly head once again.

I don't think it's reasonable to completely ignore the many differences between now and before purim including

• There is at least some immunity within our community
• There is (and will continue to be) a limit on the number of people who can gather, even if it only applies to the biggest events (which are a very big cause of mass spreading)
• There is still a requirement to wear masks in stores (which are high traffic areas)
• People are still keeping some social distancing (some people more than others, but enough to at least help the situation)
• High risk people are still being very careful
• Regular people are aware to quarantine (or at least try to avoid contact with other people) if they have been exposed or have symptoms
• Doctors are more aware and don't make fun if people if they ask if they think they have COVID
• Testing is readily available to identify new cases so we will know if it starts spreading rapidly way earlier than last time

I'm sure some of these have a bigger effect than others, but to ignore the fact that they exist and change the equation significantly is intellectually dishonest.

[aygart]

I don't think it's reasonable to completely ignore the many differences between now and before purim including

• There is at least some immunity within our community
• There is (and will continue to be) a limit on the number of people who can gather, even if it only applies to the biggest events (which are the biggest cause of mass spreading)
• There is still a requirement to wear masks in stores (which are high traffic areas)
• People are still keeping some social distancing (some people more than others, but enough to at least help the situation)
• High risk people are still being very careful
• Regular people are aware to quarantine (or at least try to avoid contact with other people) if they have been exposed or have symptoms
• Doctors are more aware and don't make fun if people if they ask if they think they have COVID
• Testing is readily available to identify new cases so we will know if it starts spreading rapidly way earlier than last time

I'm sure some of these have a bigger effect than others, but to ignore the fact that they exist and change the equation significantly is intellectually dishonest.

All of these are good points other than 2.

The biggest causes of mass spreading are most likely offices, shuls, and batei medrash (and the like)

[etech0]

All of these are good points other than 2.

The biggest causes of mass spreading are most likely offices, shuls, and batei medrash (and the like)

IF they stay within the legal limits, there will be much less spreading than if they don't