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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #340 on: July 02, 2020, 05:57:52 PM »
So you personally can't wear a mask, okay, we get it, you'll deal with it.  But it's not necessarily relevant to what's best for the rest of society.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #341 on: July 02, 2020, 06:45:30 PM »
Have you tried anything other than masks? Bandana, scarf, cloth, etc. You might find it easier, though I haven't tried. Some N95 are really easy to breathe in (and some are quite difficult). You can also use this - it makes breathing really easy: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B087TD169N
I actually just tried my Trump mask today (I wore it backwards because I felt a little uncomfortable) and it was definitely a lot better than the surgical mask. It was only for a short shopping trip and it wasn't too hot inside, I'll have to see how it works for longer periods and when the store is hot.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #342 on: July 02, 2020, 07:17:54 PM »
You wanted to sound the all clear based on your experience. I am saying you should go ahead and let that lone Israeli minister in on the memo that your antibodies protected you (from a person of unknown infectivity).

Everything in context. I responded to your post saying that:
Just about everyone agrees at this point that antibodies work (for some time).
Showing you an example of those those that disagree.


What assumptions did I make? I *asked* but did not *assume* whether you are confident the guests do not have COVID. If you’re sure, than clearly you have no proof of antibodies offering protection (which you inferred). If you’re not sure, then it was dangerous and wrong to host people from a virus hotspot and potentially introduce new infectious people into CH (against the clear advice of the *local* medical establishment).

I really think you can use a vacation. You supposedly ask a question, and don't even wait a NY minute for a response (not that one was really that essential, all you had to do is go back and read your quotes and try to find which verbs you attribute to others without basis).

While you might not know me personally, I think I've posted quite a bit on DDF, so you might have figured out that guests are rarely invited to my home. As a matter of fact this past Pesach was a rather unique time (with the Yeshiva closed) where we actually invited some guests. Otherwise our house operates on a כל דכפין ייתי ויכול without any requirement for those that wish to enter our doors to be hungry.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #343 on: July 02, 2020, 07:28:33 PM »
So here's my question for you:

...
Given that reinfections are happening in CH, and visitors are coming from all over the world still, and social distancing is not happening anywhere in CH, and your position on the value of masks, how do you justify anyone not wearing a mask in CH?

My point is that is an irrelevant hypothetical.

Is it up to me to justify anyone? I speak only for myself. And actually seeing the most recent (no. 35) Gedalia Society update, as well as updates from Lakewood, have me pondering whether I should seek out someone with COVID-19 so I can get reinfected and have a positive PCR test.

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #344 on: July 02, 2020, 07:31:35 PM »
So they weren't fearful, just uncomfortable enough that they didn't allow their own community to share in their simcha?

The Chuppah was broadcast on Zoom, so the Floridians wore masks. Once Zoom was over, so were the masks.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #345 on: July 02, 2020, 07:39:48 PM »
Have you tried anything other than masks? Bandana, scarf, cloth, etc. You might find it easier, though I haven't tried. Some N95 are really easy to breathe in (and some are quite difficult). You can also use this - it makes breathing really easy: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B087TD169N

Face shield - No!
Bandana - yes!

Mask not covering nose - terrible!
Mask not covering lower lip. - no comment!

Even chin masks are mostly acceptable.
 ::)
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #346 on: July 02, 2020, 07:56:23 PM »
Face shield - No!
Bandana - yes!

Mask not covering nose - terrible!
Mask not covering lower lip. - no comment!

Even chin masks are mostly acceptable.
 ::)

I would agree that a face shield is absolutely better than nothing. But I also believe that if we’re comparing effectiveness, both common sense, and studies show that fabric is very effective at blocking outbound droplet spread. I don’t have the same confidence in face shields as the possibility exists for the small droplets to escape and float around, I also haven’t seen any studies proving otherwise.

Mask not covering nose - extremely overrated. The person isn’t protecting themselves but it should be fine for preventing droplet spread aside from sneezing, CMIIW.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #347 on: July 02, 2020, 08:00:31 PM »
Mask not covering nose - extremely overrated. The person isn’t protecting themselves but it should be fine for preventing droplet spread aside from sneezing, CMIIW.

I fully agree. I would add that a militant attitude against those that choose not to wear a mask except when requested, is also an over reaction.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #348 on: July 02, 2020, 08:05:23 PM »
Mask not covering nose - extremely overrated. The person isn’t protecting themselves but it should be fine for preventing droplet spread aside from sneezing, CMIIW.
Breathing out your nose will spread droplets.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #349 on: July 02, 2020, 09:34:12 PM »
Breathing out your nose will spread droplets.

Does it really? I could believe it I just haven’t seen it mentioned.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #350 on: July 02, 2020, 09:38:08 PM »
Everything in context. I responded to your post saying that:Showing you an example of those those that disagree.


I really think you can use a vacation. You supposedly ask a question, and don't even wait a NY minute for a response (not that one was really that essential, all you had to do is go back and read your quotes and try to find which verbs you attribute to others without basis).

While you might not know me personally, I think I've posted quite a bit on DDF, so you might have figured out that guests are rarely invited to my home. As a matter of fact this past Pesach was a rather unique time (with the Yeshiva closed) where we actually invited some guests. Otherwise our house operates on a כל דכפין ייתי ויכול without any requirement for those that wish to enter our doors to be hungry.
Did you miss the part where I was responding to this post of yours?
I have a bunch of Floridians hanging around in my house. At what point can we sound the all-clear knowing that our antibodies work?
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #351 on: July 02, 2020, 09:42:43 PM »
Does it really? I could believe it I just haven’t seen it mentioned.
Will look into it.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #352 on: July 02, 2020, 09:48:07 PM »
Breathing out your nose will spread droplets.
True, but unless you're one of those 'nose up in the air' type it will mostly be in the downward direction, and will not need a full 6 feet to be grounded. probably closer to a normal conversation distance of 2-3 feet.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #353 on: July 02, 2020, 09:55:57 PM »
True, but unless you're one of those 'nose up in the air' type it will mostly be in the downward direction, and will not need a full 6 feet to be grounded. probably closer to a normal conversation distance of 2-3 feet.
All joking aside the question is does normal breathing expel droplets.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #354 on: July 02, 2020, 10:00:32 PM »
True, but unless you're one of those 'nose up in the air' type it will mostly be in the downward direction, and will not need a full 6 feet to be grounded. probably closer to a normal conversation distance of 2-3 feet.
unless they're fine enough to go airborne, in a contained space

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #355 on: July 03, 2020, 08:57:48 AM »
I wore one for just 1.5 hours and was left with a smashing headache
Here’s a study on healthcare workers and PPE.
https://headachejournal.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/head.13811
“In real world practice, donning of the PPE is often felt cumbersome and uncomfortable by the frontline healthcare workers, especially if a long period of exposure to such equipment is necessary
during the outbreaks of emerging infectious diseases”

Out of 158 respondents, 128 (81.0%) respondents developed de novo PPE-associated headaches though it was theorized it was mostly to to the straps etc. not necessarily the breathing.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #356 on: July 05, 2020, 03:52:01 PM »
Just an interesting observation. Seems to be some sort of cold/ virus going around Lakewood. I know of at least 2 or 3 families where just about the whole family came down with colds, sore throats, congestion etc. over the last few days.
Doesn’t seems to be particularly covid type symptoms and the kids are getting it just like the adults so I’m guessing it’s just the kids going back to school and daycare and spreading run of the mill colds and viruses again, something we haven’t seen in a few months. Sure is going to drive the camps crazy when they open this Monday though.

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #357 on: July 05, 2020, 03:56:43 PM »
Just an interesting observation. Seems to be some sort of cold/ virus going around Lakewood. I know of at least 2 or 3 families where just about the whole family came down with colds, sore throats, congestion etc. over the last few days.
Doesn’t seems to be particularly covid type symptoms and the kids are getting it just like the adults so I’m guessing it’s just the kids going back to school and daycare and spreading run of the mill colds and viruses again, something we haven’t seen in a few months. Sure is going to drive the camps crazy when they open this Monday though.
My son was in daycamp for all of 4 days and brought this cold home (to the rest of the family). Regular rhinovirus symptoms. Pediatricians are back in business....

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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #358 on: July 05, 2020, 03:58:28 PM »
We went out for shabbos for the first time in 5 months. Coincided with the first cold my kids got in that same time span.
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Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
« Reply #359 on: July 05, 2020, 04:00:38 PM »
We went out for shabbos for the first time in 5 months. Coincided with the first cold my kids got in that same time span.
The lack of colds in the home have definitely been a silver lining.
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