Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?

[ExGingi]

Agree that things and articles posted by @ExGingi have certainly affected how I think about some things. He's clearly a proud Chosid.

Also agree that his posts have been different since COVID and that's something I've now heard from a few people. But that's something I've also seen from several others and on Whatsapp groups I'm in.

I am truly humbled by the first part of your post, and puzzled by the second part.

I like healthy criticism, and would love to be shown how my posts are different. Did covid-19 have a major effect on me? Definitely! Indirectly through the difficulties of the lockdown.

[elazarmn]

You mean he's still Dr Doom & Gloom?

I hear that,
Although in this case one may understand that he has not diagnosed those patients that re-infected.
This is just a look at what he sees from a medical point of view. But i do understand why you have something against him.

[Afrages6]

Ummm...hes not like a pediatrist or an ophthalmologist. Hes a very well known DR.
In fact he even runs a camp for special needs kids!! So if anything he has ALL what to do with Covid-19
Anyway, inappropriate to run down a doctor you have no idea about.
In the future it may be wise to google there name before dismissing their credibility

Very well known? No one uses him in Flatbush, he’s a pediatrician who got some attention when no one knew what was going on and now everyone realizes that he has been way over the top and caught in one too many lies for anyone to trust him.

[avromie7]

I hear that,
Although in this case one may understand that he has not diagnosed those patients that re-infected.
This is just a look at what he sees from a medical point of view. But i do understand why you have something against him.

I didn't watch the video and don't plan on, I assume anything he says to be false and only intended to spread panic.

[Yard sale]

Other than the part about reinfection there’s nothing surprising in what he said. Kind of like the baal shem stories- if you believe everything ditchek says you are a fool, but if you don’t believe it could have happened...

People are confusing herd immunity with eradication. It’s a fact that not every single person, even in the hardest hit communities has had the virus and is immune, especially those who took strict precautions. There’s no magic- if a stream of infected people coming from Florida, California, Israel etc. circulate in Lakewood and other communities, there will be some who get infected. The question is if it can lead to a massive outbreak, or if there is sufficient herd immunity to prevent secondary waves that continue to spread throughout the community, and we can expect a limited number of positives that remain fairly limited as people come out of quarantine and relax precautions. I believe the latter is true in Lakewood but the coming weeks should provide an answer.

[elazarmn]

Other than the part about reinfection there’s nothing surprising in what he said. Kind of like the baal shem stories- if you believe everything ditchek says you are a fool, but if you don’t believe it could have happened...

People are confusing herd immunity with eradication. It’s a fact that not every single person, even in the hardest hit communities has had the virus and is immune, especially those who took strict precautions. There’s no magic- if a stream of infected people coming from Florida, California, Israel etc. circulate in Lakewood and other communities, there will be some who get infected. The question is if it can lead to a massive outbreak, or if there is sufficient herd immunity to prevent secondary waves that continue to spread throughout the community, and we can expect a limited number of positives that remain fairly limited as people come out of quarantine and relax precautions. I believe the latter is true in Lakewood but the coming weeks should provide an answer.

Very well said

[Lurker]

Other than the part about reinfection there’s nothing surprising in what he said. Kind of like the baal shem stories- if you believe everything ditchek says you are a fool, but if you don’t believe it could have happened...

People are confusing herd immunity with eradication. It’s a fact that not every single person, even in the hardest hit communities has had the virus and is immune, especially those who took strict precautions. There’s no magic- if a stream of infected people coming from Florida, California, Israel etc. circulate in Lakewood and other communities, there will be some who get infected. The question is if it can lead to a massive outbreak, or if there is sufficient herd immunity to prevent secondary waves that continue to spread throughout the community, and we can expect a limited number of positives that remain fairly limited as people come out of quarantine and relax precautions. I believe the latter is true in Lakewood but the coming weeks should provide an answer.

Well written. In your opinion, what is the main concern regarding a second wave? Is it the amount of people getting sick, the restrictions it will trigger, or something else?

[Yard sale]

Well written. In your opinion, what is the main concern regarding a second wave? Is it the amount of people getting sick, the restrictions it will trigger, or something else?

I think overwhelming the system (running out of ventilators, ICU capacity) in Lakewood is pretty much off the table at this point so if one were to be concerned about a second wave I think the concern would be first regarding the vulnerable population. If the virus were to be widespread it becomes difficult to impossible to prevent exposure to vulnerable people, even those taking proper precautions. I have an immunocompromised relative who didn’t leave her home in March and April yet she had antibodies. Was it the supermarket delivery guy who touched the boxes? Was it virus that somehow made its way onto our gloves when we dropped off necessities? It’s hard to know.

The second concern would be the sheer numbers of people contracting the virus would likely mean some serious cases or even fatalities in the general healthy population, despite the fact that the number of those suffering serious long term side effects (or fatalities) in the general healthy population is very small. This second concern assumes that a vaccine or efficacious treatment  is eventually developed in a reasonable amount of time. Otherwise these individuals would have likely contracted the virus at some point in the future in any case.

Again nothing that would indicate such a scenario at this time.

[avromie7]

I have an immunocompromised relative who didn’t leave her home in March and April yet she had antibodies. Was it the supermarket delivery guy who touched the boxes? Was it virus that somehow made its way onto our gloves when we dropped off necessities? It’s hard to know.

Or she contracted the virus before we knew it was spreading.

[ExGingi]

Or she contracted the virus before we knew it was spreading.

Didn't @chevron mention at some point that immunocompromised people (or was it people on immunosuppressants?) were actually not getting that sick, something to do with not having a cytokine storm?

[Dan]

Or she contracted the virus before we knew it was spreading.

Yup, like me.

[yaakov35]

Yup, like me.

Skver is also under the impression that the rebbeh got it in February.

[Yard sale]

Or she contracted the virus before we knew it was spreading.

True. There are others I know of who took precautions and had onset of symptoms some time afterward.

[chevron]

Didn't @chevron mention at some point that immunocompromised people (or was it people on immunosuppressants?) were actually not getting that sick, something to do with not having a cytokine storm?

Some people who are on immunosuppressants their drugs are actually blocking the virus from attacking the body

[Mikes@Micro]

Skver is also under the impression that the rebbeh got it in February.

Which rebbishe magazine reports this?

[Mikes@Micro]

The guy is a straight liar. He’s been caught lying so many different times throughout the last couple months. I won’t believe anything the guy ever says again.

@Afrages6 or anyone else... do you have any examples of him lying?
This video was forwarded to a family member who just locked down her family totally as a result. Need some help discrediting him or at least make some room in their mind that he may just be wrong.
TIA

[S209]

@Afrages6 or anyone else... do you have any examples of him lying?
This video was forwarded to a family member who just locked down her family totally as a result. Need some help discrediting him or at least make some room in their mind that he may just be wrong.
TIA

Why would it bother you if a family member was being more cautious?

[yaakov35]

Which rebbishe magazine reports this?

Lol

[Afrages6]

@Afrages6 or anyone else... do you have any examples of him lying?
This video was forwarded to a family member who just locked down her family totally as a result. Need some help discrediting him or at least make some room in their mind that he may just be wrong.
TIA

Two months ago he claimed that camps were already told that they aren’t being allowed to open and they are just trying to steal your money if they tell you that they are opening. He also had that long voice note which he sent around about Lakewood and how he tried to get the porch minyanim too stop after the rabbanim allowed them which was filled with lies.

[S209]

Two months ago he claimed that camps were already told that they aren’t being allowed to open and they are just trying to steal your money if they tell you that they are opening. He also had that long voice note which he sent around about Lakewood and how he tried to get the porch minyanim too stop after the rabbanim allowed them which was filled with lies.

Wasn’t this obviously true?