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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #80 on: May 07, 2020, 02:28:46 PM »
He told them to go become essential workers if they really wanted to work. Even though that wasn’t really a possibility for most.
...and that is called mocking them?
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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #82 on: May 07, 2020, 03:11:30 PM »
Do you follow the MSM?
I follow the national news not the national talking heads.
Now do you have a link?
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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #83 on: May 07, 2020, 10:25:05 PM »
I follow the national news not the national talking heads.
Now do you have a link?

How to define a talking head? We can agree about Hannity or Maddow, but you called Cuomo a talking head when he's the anchor of a show on a supposed unbiased channel. Is NYT mainstream enough? WP? What about opinion pages?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/21/georgia-leads-race-become-americas-no-1-death-destination/
I know that's an opinion piece, but that's a pretty harsh headline, no? Find me a similar one for any other D governor who has reopened anything.

Do a Google search for Kemp reopen Georgia, or the like, and even if the headlines don't call him a murderer, see how the stories are all framed in a way that he's being criticized, or pushing back against criticism. Now do the same for Charlie Baker and instead of "facing criticism" it's "explains why". The framing creates the story even more than the story itself sometimes.

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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #84 on: May 07, 2020, 10:37:52 PM »
How to define a talking head? We can agree about Hannity or Maddow, but you called Cuomo a talking head when he's the anchor of a show on a supposed unbiased channel. Is NYT mainstream enough? WP? What about opinion pages?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/21/georgia-leads-race-become-americas-no-1-death-destination/
I know that's an opinion piece, but that's a pretty harsh headline, no? Find me a similar one for any other D governor who has reopened anything.

Do a Google search for Kemp reopen Georgia, or the like, and even if the headlines don't call him a murderer, see how the stories are all framed in a way that he's being criticized, or pushing back against criticism. Now do the same for Charlie Baker and instead of "facing criticism" it's "explains why". The framing creates the story even more than the story itself sometimes.
Each station probably has an hour or two of national news reported by the news department. Cuomo is a talking head.

Yes that headline was harsh but as you point out an opinion piece.

I seen a lot of talk about Kemp. 99% was him not adhering to the CDC guidelines for reopening which could have dire results. Spun their way but factual.
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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #85 on: May 07, 2020, 10:49:41 PM »
...and that is called mocking them?

Do you know that Twitter created an automated system whereby any account that tweeted "learn to code" to a journalist was suspended as hateful speech? The background: Over the past years, hundreds upon hundreds of Blue Collar Americans who have lost their jobs to automation and modernization in various industrious were not given much sympathy by media types and politicians and were often condescendingly told to "learn to code" and the like. Then, years later, when newspapers and media organizations began to go belly up and many journalists were losing jobs, people remembered the condescension that came from those circles and repeated the message to them, "learn to code."

Only this time, the history was "forgotten" and people took it as hate speech and began reporting such messages to Twitter en masse until they started suspending accounts for sing the phrase. Everyone who hadn't received a shred of empathy from academics and media elites were not only being asked to be sympathetic when the roles were reversed, but were being accused of hate speech when using the very same phrase thrown at them.

So yes, if "learn to code" to dozens of reporters is hate speech, "just get an essential job" to tens of thousands who have lost everything is *at the very least* mockery. In my opinion, and many others, even without the "Learn to Code" standard it is mocking.


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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #86 on: May 07, 2020, 10:56:15 PM »
Do you know that Twitter created an automated system whereby any account that tweeted "learn to code" to a journalist was suspended as hateful speech? The background: Over the past years, hundreds upon hundreds of Blue Collar Americans who have lost their jobs to automation and modernization in various industrious were not given much sympathy by media types and politicians and were often condescendingly told to "learn to code" and the like. Then, years later, when newspapers and media organizations began to go belly up and many journalists were losing jobs, people remembered the condescension that came from those circles and repeated the message to them, "learn to code."

Only this time, the history was "forgotten" and people took it as hate speech and began reporting such messages to Twitter en masse until they started suspending accounts for sing the phrase. Everyone who hadn't received a shred of empathy from academics and media elites were not only being asked to be sympathetic when the roles were reversed, but were being accused of hate speech when using the very same phrase thrown at them.

So yes, if "learn to code" to dozens of reporters is hate speech, "just get an essential job" to tens of thousands who have lost everything is *at the very least* mockery. In my opinion, and many others, even without the "Learn to Code" standard it is mocking.
Wasn't his comment in regards to the protesters who wanted to open up the state? He is telling them that is not happening so get a job as an essential worker is the only way. You feel that is mocking, I don't.
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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #87 on: May 07, 2020, 10:59:57 PM »
Wasn't his comment in regards to the protesters who wanted to open up the state? He is telling them that is not happening so get a job as an essential worker is the only way. You feel that is mocking, I don't.

Just like you felt the Wisconsin judge was racist and others didn't. (Hard to argue on subjectivity, though certain actors don't play in good faith.)
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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #88 on: May 07, 2020, 11:02:53 PM »
Just like you felt the Wisconsin judge was racist and others didn't. (Hard to argue on subjectivity, though certain actors don't play in good faith.)
The comment was. I have no idea if the person is.
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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #89 on: May 07, 2020, 11:21:15 PM »
Wasn't his comment in regards to the protesters who wanted to open up the state? He is telling them that is not happening so get a job as an essential worker is the only way. You feel that is mocking, I don't.

See, that's another issue of framing. We all know "protestors" are redneck hicks waving Nazi flags (which was true for some!) But not all protestors were like that. Most weren't! But read the transcript and see how the reporter phrases their concerns, that line is flippant and rude.

Or watch the video. He answers quite well and explains his position clearly. And then he just cuts off the reporter and snaps off that line in a clearly condescending, mocking tone.


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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #90 on: May 07, 2020, 11:24:57 PM »
...that line is flippant and rude.
I was going to say he was giving them the finger.
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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #91 on: May 07, 2020, 11:34:11 PM »
You feel that is mocking, I don't.
I was going to say he was giving them the finger.

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BTW, this is who he was giving the finger to:

CBS 6’s Anne McCloy: "These are regular people who are not getting a paycheck and they’re saying that they don’t have time to wait for all of this testing and they need to get back to work in order to feed their families. Their savings is running out, they don’t have another week, they’re not getting answers"

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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #92 on: May 08, 2020, 12:28:52 AM »
CBS 6’s Anne McCloy: "These are regular people who are not getting a paycheck and they’re saying that they don’t have time to wait for all of this testing and they need to get back to work in order to feed their families. Their savings is running out, they don’t have another week, they’re not getting answers"
Well she called these people who wanted to work "regular people" so obviously she was being racist which is why he answered in that manner.

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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #93 on: May 08, 2020, 12:31:09 AM »
Well she called these people who wanted to work "regular people" so obviously she was being racist which is why he answered in that manner.
No, she wasn't racist. Had she said *those* people...

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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #94 on: May 08, 2020, 12:34:14 AM »
Well she called these people who wanted to work "regular people" so obviously she was being racist which is why he answered in that manner.
No, she wasn't racist. Had she said *those* people...

Context:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/07/meatpacking-workers-wisconsin-coronavirus/

But you probably knew that already.
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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #95 on: May 08, 2020, 07:48:04 AM »
But you probably knew that already.
Already knew what? One is saying the protesters are just regular people and the other is saying meat-packers are not regular people?
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« Reply #96 on: May 08, 2020, 08:27:29 AM »
Already knew what? One is saying the protesters are just regular people and the other is saying meat-packers are not regular people?

Already knew about the other thread and the context of @whYME's snarky comment, but nice try.
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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #97 on: May 08, 2020, 10:50:27 AM »
Already knew about the other thread and the context of @whYME's snarky comment, but nice try.
Nice try about what? Why would you bring the other thread into this one? What is your agenda?
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« Reply #98 on: May 08, 2020, 11:08:45 AM »
Nice try about what? Why would you bring the other thread into this one? What is your agenda?

Lol! Let me break this down... Someone made a comment, referencing the other thread. Yehuda57 responded to it at it's face value, ignoring the context. I put it into context by linking the other thread, and added that he probably knew that (ie the context) already.

I didn't bring the other thread into this one, but I did highlight it after it was referenced. My agenda was trying to draw Yehuda57 to comment on the other thread about imaginary microaggressions and how they actually hurt the fight against racism. But he's obviously played this game before and didn't bite. And now we're done and can get this thread back OT.
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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #99 on: May 08, 2020, 11:17:27 AM »
Yehuda57 responded to it at it's face value, ignoring the context.

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