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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #135 on: May 17, 2020, 12:58:48 PM »
60-70% of the people who got tested. That's a very, very small sample size, skewed heavily towards people who thought they had symptoms and were more likely to test positive for anti-bodies.

Not the case. Many shuls, yeshivas require testing to come. This created a huge influx of all sorts of people getting tested last week
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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #136 on: May 17, 2020, 01:03:01 PM »
Really? Shuls, stores, schools?

YES almost fully

Shuls, most
stores, many (officially by appointment)
schools, yeshivas many, schools starting this week

In any case, ppl are all over the streets. I observed many of my neighbors that didn't have company for Shabbos in a long time had this week....

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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #137 on: May 17, 2020, 01:03:42 PM »
Not the case. Many shuls, yeshivas require testing to come. This bout a huge influx of all sorts of ppl getting tested last week

So how many people do you think got tested? How many people didn't bother because they haven't gotten it yet and have no intention of going to shul or yeshiva just yet?
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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #138 on: May 17, 2020, 01:04:18 PM »
YES almost fully

Shuls, most
stores, many (officially by appointment)
schools, yeshivas many, schools starting this week

In any case, ppl are all over the streets. I observed many of my neighbors that didn't have company for Shabbos in a long time had this week....
Wow, I didn't know that. And here in Lakewood, we're stuck in the Dark Ages.

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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #139 on: May 17, 2020, 01:05:12 PM »
YES almost fully

Shuls, most
stores, many (officially by appointment)
schools, yeshivas many, schools starting this week

In any case, ppl are all over the streets. I observed many of my neighbors that didn't have company for Shabbos in a long time had this week....

There are schools opening this week?
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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #140 on: May 17, 2020, 01:08:03 PM »
There are schools opening this week?

Classes in off school locations

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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #141 on: May 17, 2020, 01:12:03 PM »
Lets put it this way
there is a 50-75% with antibodies in BP.
No new infections (even though BP is fully reopened)
Not 50-75% of people with antibodies, 50-75% of people tested with antibodies. Surely you realize those who think they’ve had it are far more likely to submit to a blood test to confirm than those who don’t? 50-75% is a really big range anyway. That could mean we’ve prevented a full half of deaths, at least.
So maybe at the point, we went into lockdown we should have only locked the vulnerable?

Why isn't the 30% without antibodies getting infected now? We have lots of ppl still testing positive?
To your first point, it has merit but if everyone infected would be running around as usual the odds of those “locked up” getting it would rise dramatically as well, because the virus would be (was?) circulating at immense levels. See Sweden, Ireland, and the U.K. as well as use common sense.

To your second, it seems that testing positive later into your infection doesn’t indicate contagion, at least that’s something doctors are assuming (hoping). See the article linked to by Rabbi Dr. Glatt for more on that. The vulnerable people without antibodies are presumably mostly still locked up, and the level of people walking around with antibodies is presumably very high relative to the amount of people walking around with infectious virus.
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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #142 on: May 17, 2020, 01:12:27 PM »
I wonder if this will spark any sort of Jewish exodus from NYC.
Hard to believe that it's a significant number, relative to the population. If it opens up a few houses for people to buy there, and the real estate market loosens up a bit, that would be very good news to people who JUST HAVE TO live in NYC.
Don't forget there are very strong anchors in NYC for certain people: specific yeshivos and kehilos.
People have been moving out for many different reasons over the past few years. Lots of people are just waiting for the right opportunity. This has definitely been the cherry on top and has caused New Yorkers to start thinking about the next step. 
New York has a lot to offer, however it is at a steep price!

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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #143 on: May 17, 2020, 01:15:32 PM »
YES almost fully

Shuls, most
stores, many (officially by appointment)
schools, yeshivas many, schools starting this week

In any case, ppl are all over the streets. I observed many of my neighbors that didn't have company for Shabbos in a long time had this week....
You can’t vouch for 100% of BP being out and about, and I wouldn’t believe you if you did. You can vouch for many, but that’s the point.. the vulnerable who don’t have antibodies are still mostly locked up
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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #144 on: May 17, 2020, 01:17:31 PM »
the vulnerable who don’t have antibodies are still mostly locked up
That's the way it should be and we don't need the government to tell us this
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #145 on: May 17, 2020, 01:20:38 PM »
This petition has gotten over 1,500 signatures in just 11 hours. People want to get back to normal life while taking the proper precautions.
https://www.change.org/p/mayor-bill-de-blasio-reopen-ny?source_location=topic_page
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1861388/banding-together-thousands-of-small-jewish-business-owners-unite-to-oppose-cuomos-lockdown.html
As Dan has mentioned before_If you are able to, buy something from a small business or purchase a gift certificate for later use. Most stores would bring an item or two out to your car.

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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #146 on: May 17, 2020, 01:21:07 PM »
the vulnerable who don’t have antibodies are still mostly locked up

Many older ppl turned up in shul this week. I suppose they have antibodies.

It's a real rachmonuos on the older ppl that don't have antibodies, as 10 weeks is getting to them  :'( :'(
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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #147 on: May 17, 2020, 01:23:30 PM »
I'm waiting for the results of this Jerusalem "case study". We will have a similar case study in BP in the next week or 2 


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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #148 on: May 17, 2020, 01:23:47 PM »
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Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
« Reply #149 on: May 17, 2020, 01:31:21 PM »
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