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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #560 on: June 23, 2020, 01:08:03 PM »
@biobook There's no way you weren't/aren't a teacher. You have a great knack for breaking down complicated science into an understandable "For Dummies" format. Thank you!!
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #561 on: June 23, 2020, 01:16:35 PM »
@biobook There's no way you weren't/aren't a teacher. You have a great knack for breaking down complicated science into an understandable "For Dummies" format. Thank you!!
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Re: Is there a second wave?
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #563 on: June 24, 2020, 12:20:54 AM »
@biobook There's no way you weren't/aren't a teacher. You have a great knack for breaking down complicated science into an understandable "For Dummies" format. Thank you!!
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #564 on: June 24, 2020, 02:03:54 AM »
The cases are not less severe they are the same as they were a couple months ago

In Israel the cases are far far less severe....Ventilator use actually fell by 2 from 29 to 27 yesterday. And this is now 2 weeks after the jump has started.

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #565 on: June 24, 2020, 05:42:03 AM »
In Israel the cases are far far less severe....
Completely not true.

Ventilator use actually fell by 2 from 29 to 27 yesterday. And this is now 2 weeks after the jump has started.
Ventilators are not being used anymore until absolutely necessary.
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #566 on: June 24, 2020, 06:40:09 AM »
Completely not true.
Ventilators are not being used anymore until absolutely necessary.

Well maybe the media is lying and you have a secret source to help fuel unnecessary panic.

https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-covid-19-cases-skyrocket-as-govt-restricts-hotspots-1001333423

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #567 on: June 24, 2020, 06:53:48 AM »
Well maybe the media is lying and you have a secret source to help fuel unnecessary panic.

https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-covid-19-cases-skyrocket-as-govt-restricts-hotspots-1001333423
The most important number to watch is serious cases. If you look at the numbers you'll see it has consistently risen over the last few weeks. In the latest update today it's back up to 45.


The fact that most positives now are younger people does make that number go up more slowly, however as more and more test positive overall we unfortunately are seeing a consistent rise in those in serious condition.

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #568 on: June 24, 2020, 08:30:40 AM »
The most important number to watch is serious cases. If you look at the numbers you'll see it has consistently risen over the last few weeks. In the latest update today it's back up to 45.


The fact that most positives now are younger people does make that number go up more slowly, however as more and more test positive overall we unfortunately are seeing a consistent rise in those in serious condition.

The number on Sunday was 49 then fell to 40 now back to 45. Still less then Sundays numbers. Ventilators was at 29 fell to 26 and now at 27. These numbers are far better then the begining where severe cases were about 3-4% of total cases.

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #569 on: June 24, 2020, 08:40:51 AM »
The number on Sunday was 49 then fell to 40 now back to 45. Still less then Sundays numbers. Ventilators was at 29 fell to 26 and now at 27. These numbers are far better then the begining where severe cases were about 3-4% of total cases.

Remember that the first time around, we had little idea what we were looking for and public knowledge was close to zero, so by the time someone tested positive, there was a very short amount of time before the infection became serious. Now that we're catching it very early, it will take that much longer for an infection to become serious. It's also very likely that early treatment will keep many cases from becoming serious in the first place.

All of the above is good news. It also says nothing about the seriousness of the virus itself. Early detection and treatment doesn't mean the virus has weakened. It means we're doing what we're supposed to do. However, if the spread becomes exponentially worse, there is a good chance that more and more cases will avoid early detection and treatments will get delayed, causing serious cases to rise again.

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #570 on: June 24, 2020, 09:28:06 AM »
More testing means less serious cases are picked up.

There is ZERO evidence to suggest the virus is weaker. We have full genome of the latest strands and it's just as potent.

It's incredible how quick people are to gobble the latest theory allowing them to deny reality.
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #571 on: June 24, 2020, 09:41:25 AM »
More testing means less serious cases are picked up.

There is ZERO evidence to suggest the virus is weaker. We have full genome of the latest strands and it's just as potent.

It's incredible how quick people are to gobble the latest theory allowing them to deny reality.

I see the reality on the ground here in Israel. They speak for themselves.

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #572 on: June 24, 2020, 09:54:48 AM »
I see the reality on the ground here in Israel. They speak for themselves.
What exactly are you seeing on the ground that indicates there's any difference in severity of cases versus last time around?


I'm also 'seeing the reality on the ground'.


As mentioned, the majority of new cases are younger people, but there are definitely older as well and we don't have any evidence suggesting covid suddenly weakened.

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #573 on: June 24, 2020, 10:14:20 AM »
What exactly are you seeing on the ground that indicates there's any difference in severity of cases versus last time around?


I'm also 'seeing the reality on the ground'.


As mentioned, the majority of new cases are younger people, but there are definitely older as well and we don't have any evidence suggesting covid suddenly weakened.

There was a few nursing homes with patients and none of them got it severe. Especially not like last time.

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #574 on: June 24, 2020, 11:34:05 AM »
I see the reality on the ground here in Israel. They speak for themselves.
Where have I seen this scientific argument before..  ::)
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #575 on: June 24, 2020, 01:35:54 PM »
Where have I seen this scientific argument before..  ::)

Are you in Israel? Didnt think so.....Here we dont spread hysteria.

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #576 on: June 24, 2020, 01:39:04 PM »
Are you in Israel? Didnt think so.....Here we dont spread hysteria.
You're not being reasonable. Please address the other posters' points.

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #577 on: June 24, 2020, 01:43:42 PM »
There was a few nursing homes with patients and none of them got it severe. Especially not like last time.
Doesn't it take a few weeks from the time people get it until it gets severe?
On the other hand while its spreading pretty fast in E"Y, B"H BA"H there have been no major uptick in people on respirators.

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #578 on: June 24, 2020, 02:04:15 PM »
Are you in Israel? Didnt think so.....Here we dont spread hysteria.
Moving right along to your next salient point. If I donít live in Israel I canít use logic to make a rational argument. Whatís next, grocery stores and driving cars?
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #579 on: June 24, 2020, 02:22:54 PM »
Moving right along to your next salient point. If I donít live in Israel I canít use logic to make a rational argument. Whatís next, grocery stores and driving cars?
I'm not sure this is what @Proisrael means but what he could mean, is that in Israel everyone is much calmer and more resilient do the fact were all Jews and we had to get through גלות in some way. Israel (country and Jewish People) are, unfortunately, used to bad things happening so Corona is just another bump in the road and as I nation, people do not panic as much.
While in the other countries that are not used to adversity for example when something like Corona happens people go crazy and they think the world is coming to an end.