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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #631 on: July 03, 2020, 03:10:12 AM »
There are currently 8 positives with 2 pending. The person in the ICU has tested negative for Covid. As per Dr. Friedman of CHEMED (who has been collating the cases in Lakewood.)

The fact that absolutely nobody wears masks in Lakewood means this can spiral extremely fast out of control. Very sad.

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #632 on: July 03, 2020, 04:14:40 AM »
The fact that absolutely nobody wears masks in Lakewood means this can spiral extremely fast out of control. Very sad.
Or that Lakewood residents  have taken the position that there is little risk of it quickly spiraling out of control into a massive wave in Lakewood. A far more reasonable position in my opinion.

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #633 on: July 03, 2020, 07:34:11 AM »
Or that Lakewood residents  have taken the position that there is little risk of it quickly spiraling out of control into a massive wave in Lakewood. A far more reasonable position in my opinion.
Or the most reasonable position, which is that the reality falls somewhere in the middle of those two extremes
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #634 on: July 03, 2020, 07:37:15 AM »
Or the most reasonable position, which is that the reality falls somewhere in the middle of those two extremes
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #635 on: July 03, 2020, 08:15:12 AM »
Or the most reasonable position, which is that the reality falls somewhere in the middle of those two extremes
You need to ask yourself if your extreme position is wrong what will the cost to human life be?
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #636 on: July 03, 2020, 08:19:57 AM »
You need to ask yourself if your extreme position is wrong what will the cost to human life be?
you may as well just post the hamster wheel instead of a written response
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #637 on: July 03, 2020, 08:24:46 AM »
you may as well just post the hamster wheel instead of a written response
If I get one person to think about it then it was worth it but just in case.  :)
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #638 on: July 03, 2020, 08:51:05 AM »
Or that Lakewood residents  have taken the position that there is little risk of it quickly spiraling out of control into a massive wave in Lakewood. A far more reasonable position in my opinion.

Tell me, how do you define "massive wave?" Does more than 50% of any given population need to get it in order to qualify? What about 10% of a very large population? And what if it doesn't spiral quickly? What if it takes a couple of months? Is that acceptable?
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #639 on: July 03, 2020, 09:08:33 AM »
Tell me, how do you define "massive wave?" Does more than 50% of any given population need to get it in order to qualify? What about 10% of a very large population? And what if it doesn't spiral quickly? What if it takes a couple of months? Is that acceptable?
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this can spiral extremely fast out of control. Very sad.

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #640 on: July 03, 2020, 09:14:07 AM »
Was just responding to

I understand. I'm trying to understand what your parameters are for "spiraling" into a "massive" second wave. When do you think Lakewood residents should start to get concerned?
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #641 on: July 03, 2020, 10:19:00 AM »
I understand. I'm trying to understand what your parameters are for "spiraling" into a "massive" second wave. When do you think Lakewood residents should start to get concerned?
I donít know that there is a clear number but to me evidence of community spread, particularly secondary community spread, meaning locally contacted virus spreading to other Lakewood residents in several different settings (not residents contracting it outside of Lakewood) or a number of individuals (not 4 or 5) contacting it from another locally contracted case at even one community event would indicate a need for concern and further precautions. At that point elderly and immunocompromised should be taking strict measures. If we were to see incidence of spread beyond that, particularly coupled with several hospital transports, that would signal the potential beginning of a wave necessitating strict community wide measures. The frum healthcare providers are very coordinated at this point and real time information should be available fairly quickly unlike what we saw before pesach.

Conversely, multiple individuals contracting the virus outside of Lakewood is not particularly  concerning since it does not call the premise of herd immunity or near herd immunity in Lakewood into question.

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #642 on: July 03, 2020, 10:32:17 AM »
Conversely, multiple individuals contracting the virus outside of Lakewood is not particularly  concerning since it does not call the premise of herd immunity or near herd immunity in Lakewood into question.

Have you seen the data and community warnings that have come out of CH this week regarding reinfections?
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #643 on: July 03, 2020, 10:45:00 AM »
What if it takes a couple of months? Is that acceptable?
That leaves more than enough time to change course if the situation warrants it.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #644 on: July 03, 2020, 10:51:39 AM »
That leaves more than enough time to change course if the situation warrants it.

It seems like the main concern isn't people getting sick, since the fatality rate is relatively low and long-term damage is just a theory for now. CMIIW, but the 2 main concerns I'm seeing from you and @Yard sale are a massive wave overwhelming the healthcare system, and enough spread to trigger another lockdown. So my question is, when do the flags go up?
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