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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #120 on: May 11, 2020, 02:24:38 AM »
Do you think guilt about missing the severity of this in the beginning is subconsciously driving some decision makers to be overly cautious at this point?

Some people? Yes.

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #121 on: May 11, 2020, 06:40:11 AM »
Some people? Yes.


Driven by guilt? Or learning from mistakes?

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #122 on: May 11, 2020, 08:01:11 AM »
Driven by guilt? Or learning from mistakes?
Both?
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #123 on: May 11, 2020, 08:01:26 AM »
I’m being very specific about someone who was supposed to lead the community on medical issues and clearly failed. Someone else should be the leader
Who should?
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #124 on: May 11, 2020, 10:21:14 AM »
Driven by guilt? Or learning from mistakes?

By being overly cautious they haven’t learned anything from their mistakes. They’re just making the mistake in the opposite direction, instead of using facts to make a rational decision.
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #125 on: May 11, 2020, 10:30:42 AM »
By being overly cautious they haven’t learned anything from their mistakes. They’re just making the mistake in the opposite direction, instead of using facts to make a rational decision.

Well said, IMO many people have been making emotional arguments as opposed to logical ones.

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #126 on: May 11, 2020, 10:39:12 AM »
Well said, IMO many people have been making emotional arguments as opposed to logical ones.
Correct, I agree that this is true for both sides, as it is true of every argument. In arguments, Pathos is on the same footing as Logos and Ethos.
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #127 on: May 11, 2020, 10:44:20 AM »
By being overly cautious they haven’t learned anything from their mistakes. They’re just making the mistake in the opposite direction, instead of using facts to make a rational decision.
Not neccaesarily. A fact based lesson to learn is to realize that there is still much that we don't know about this virus and that we should err on the side of caution.
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #128 on: May 11, 2020, 11:35:20 AM »
In arguments, Pathos is on the same footing as Logos and Ethos.

They are only on the same footing in regards to convincing others of one's position, they definitely aren't on the same footing in terms of the validity of the argument being made.

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #129 on: May 11, 2020, 12:07:03 PM »
They are only on the same footing in regards to convincing others of one's position, they definitely aren't on the same footing in terms of the validity of the argument being made.
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #130 on: May 11, 2020, 12:10:05 PM »
Well said, IMO many people have been making emotional arguments as opposed to logical ones.

I’m not saying it’s right, I’m saying it’s done

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #131 on: May 11, 2020, 12:13:32 PM »

Correct, I agree that this is true for both sides, as it is true of every argument. In arguments, Pathos is on the same footing as Logos and Ethos.
I think we might need Chaim, only we’re not actually arguing
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #132 on: May 11, 2020, 09:40:59 PM »
Not neccaesarily. A fact based lesson to learn is to realize that there is still much that we don't know about this virus and that we should err on the side of caution.

I wasn’t implying not to be cautious when we don’t know enough, rather not be overly cautious for what we do know.
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #133 on: May 12, 2020, 01:42:11 AM »
Wuhan, China reported a few new cases yesterday   :-[

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #134 on: May 12, 2020, 01:44:05 AM »
Wuhan, China reported a few new cases yesterday   :-[
The virus isn’t going away. And we shouldn’t freak out over a couple cases. That’s the whole idea of testing tracing and isolating is too control the spread by knowing who has the virus and therefore isolating it

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #135 on: May 12, 2020, 07:05:02 AM »
The virus isn’t going away. And we shouldn’t freak out over a couple cases. That’s the whole idea of testing tracing and isolating is too control the spread by knowing who has the virus and therefore isolating it

The US could hire a million contact tracers and still bungle they job. Bureaucracy is the ultimate antithesis of efficiency, and American bureaucracy is epic.
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #136 on: May 12, 2020, 07:19:27 AM »
https://www.dw.com/en/spike-in-south-korean-infections-linked-to-one-mans-night-out/a-53384855
Latest reports are this one guy infected over 100(!!!) people that night.
He went to 5 different night clubs and exposed over 2000 people.

This (plus the Israeli capsule yeshivos) got me thinking - what if we are going about this all wrong. Long term social isolation just isn't sustainable. And when people break the rules it happens haphazardly across the population, causing tremendous harm.
What if we created a giant color-war. We divided the entire population into 10 color groups - everyone gets a bracelet with a color. Divide every city equally among the colors. You are only allowed to interact with people in your own color. Access to all services is timed by color, supermarkets have a schedule per color, restaurants, etc. That way, we can restrict spread of the virus within your color. Makes contact tracing much easier. We can even gamify it - the color with the least infections gets a prize (more hours at the supermarket?). Just trying to think outside the box.
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #137 on: May 12, 2020, 08:29:12 AM »
https://www.dw.com/en/spike-in-south-korean-infections-linked-to-one-mans-night-out/a-53384855
Latest reports are this one guy infected over 100(!!!) people that night.
He went to 5 different night clubs and exposed over 2000 people.

This (plus the Israeli capsule yeshivos) got me thinking - what if we are going about this all wrong. Long term social isolation just isn't sustainable. And when people break the rules it happens haphazardly across the population, causing tremendous harm.
What if we created a giant color-war. We divided the entire population into 10 color groups - everyone gets a bracelet with a color. Divide every city equally among the colors. You are only allowed to interact with people in your own color. Access to all services is timed by color, supermarkets have a schedule per color, restaurants, etc. That way, we can restrict spread of the virus within your color. Makes contact tracing much easier. We can even gamify it - the color with the least infections gets a prize (more hours at the supermarket?). Just trying to think outside the box.

Separate restaurants for colored people? Need a different marketing theme.

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #138 on: May 12, 2020, 09:57:55 AM »
That’s the whole idea of testing tracing and isolating is too control the spread by knowing who has the virus and therefore isolating it
Are we doing that?
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #139 on: May 12, 2020, 10:06:56 AM »
Are we doing that?
For the most part no. NY is trying too but as a nationwide strategy it has gone out the window. My point is that we shouldn’t freak out about 11 cases in Wuhan and call it a second wave.