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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #140 on: May 12, 2020, 10:08:32 AM »
https://www.dw.com/en/spike-in-south-korean-infections-linked-to-one-mans-night-out/a-53384855
Latest reports are this one guy infected over 100(!!!) people that night.
He went to 5 different night clubs and exposed over 2000 people.

This was inevitable unfortunately. When you have a population with little to no immunity one person can spread the virus like wildfire.

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #141 on: May 12, 2020, 10:35:10 AM »
For the most part no. NY is trying too but as a nationwide strategy it has gone out the window. My point is that we shouldn’t freak out about 11 cases in Wuhan and call it a second wave.
We all know what happened to 15 cases.  ;)
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #142 on: May 12, 2020, 10:43:04 AM »
Are we doing that?

It will never work in the USA.

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #143 on: May 12, 2020, 10:44:01 AM »
We all know what happened to 15 cases.  ;)
Bad comparison

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #144 on: May 12, 2020, 10:44:55 AM »

This (plus the Israeli capsule yeshivos) got me thinking - what if we are going about this all wrong. Long term social isolation just isn't sustainable. And when people break the rules it happens haphazardly across the population, causing tremendous harm.
What if we created a giant color-war. We divided the entire population into 10 color groups - everyone gets a bracelet with a color. Divide every city equally among the colors. You are only allowed to interact with people in your own color. Access to all services is timed by color, supermarkets have a schedule per color, restaurants, etc. That way, we can restrict spread of the virus within your color. Makes contact tracing much easier. We can even gamify it - the color with the least infections gets a prize (more hours at the supermarket?). Just trying to think outside the box.

Is this an excerpt from The Onion?

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #145 on: May 12, 2020, 10:53:10 AM »
This (plus the Israeli capsule yeshivos) got me thinking - what if we are going about this all wrong. Long term social isolation just isn't sustainable. And when people break the rules it happens haphazardly across the population, causing tremendous harm.
What if we created a giant color-war. We divided the entire population into 10 color groups - everyone gets a bracelet with a color. Divide every city equally among the colors. You are only allowed to interact with people in your own color. Access to all services is timed by color, supermarkets have a schedule per color, restaurants, etc. That way, we can restrict spread of the virus within your color. Makes contact tracing much easier. We can even gamify it - the color with the least infections gets a prize (more hours at the supermarket?). Just trying to think outside the box.

Pipe dream. The issue will always be the relatively small group of rule-flaunters who do the most damage. This gamification pie-in-the-sky won’t solve that.
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #146 on: May 12, 2020, 10:54:27 AM »
Pipe dream. The issue will always be the relatively small group of rule-flaunters who do the most damage. This gamification pie-in-the-sky won’t solve that.
Canada is addressing that pretty effectively with $1,000,000 fine for isolation order violators
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #147 on: May 12, 2020, 11:08:50 AM »
Dr. Fauci and FDA commissioner testifying live in front of Senate.
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #148 on: May 12, 2020, 11:11:43 AM »
Bad comparison
If we don't get our act together on testing/tracing/quarantine it isn't.
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #149 on: May 12, 2020, 11:13:31 AM »
If we don't get our act together on testing/tracing/quarantine it isn't.

What are they designed to accomplish ?

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #150 on: May 12, 2020, 11:14:21 AM »
Canada is addressing that pretty effectively with $1,000,000 fine for isolation order violators

$1,000,000 ?

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #151 on: May 12, 2020, 11:15:49 AM »
What are they designed to accomplish ?
Containment.
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #152 on: May 12, 2020, 11:33:24 AM »
Containment.

With 80% of those infected being asymptomatic and with 10/15% false testing, do you really think this can be contained ?
And that is before we take into consideration that it only worked in countries where they started with basically a 0% baseline
and removal of all those infected from their homes to State run quarantine facilities, are you under the impression that would work in the US?

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #153 on: May 12, 2020, 11:35:05 AM »
With 80% of those infected being asymptomatic and with 10/15% false testing, do you really think this can be contained ?
And that is before we take into consideration that it only worked in countries where they started with basically a 0% baseline
and removal of all those infected from their homes to State run quarantine facilities, are you under the impression that would work in the US?

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #154 on: May 12, 2020, 11:37:10 AM »
With 80% of those infected being asymptomatic and with 10/15% false testing, do you really think this can be contained ?
And that is before we take into consideration that it only worked in countries where they started with basically a 0% baseline
and removal of all those infected from their homes to State run quarantine facilities, are you under the impression that would work in the US?
Would suppression be better word to use?
Lets remember most of the country is not NYC. I believe it would work for places like Seattle.
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #155 on: May 12, 2020, 11:50:30 AM »
Would suppression be better word to use?
Lets remember most of the country is not NYC. I believe it would work for places like Seattle.

Don't know about Seattle per se, im sure in some places we might be able to suppress/mitigate.
I just don't believe we are eradicating it, so maybe we should push for herd immunity?

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #156 on: May 12, 2020, 11:54:38 AM »
The US could hire a million contact tracers and still bungle they job. Bureaucracy is the ultimate antithesis of efficiency, and American bureaucracy is epic.

Unless we are discussing a dictatorial regime, like the People's Republic of Anywhereville, where the people get to collectively
make public policy.

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #157 on: May 12, 2020, 12:10:27 PM »
Don't know about Seattle per se, im sure in some places we might be able to suppress/mitigate.
I just don't believe we are eradicating it, so maybe we should push for herd immunity?
I don't think it will be eradicated. I feel it can and will be controlled.
I have no idea how heard immunity works or how much is needed. The more I read about it the less I know.  :)
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #158 on: May 12, 2020, 12:21:07 PM »
I don't think it will be eradicated. I feel it can and will be controlled.
I have no idea how heard immunity works or how much is needed. The more I read about it the less I know.  :)

Which is why it is so dangerous to push public policy like indefinite lockdowns.

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #159 on: May 12, 2020, 12:35:00 PM »
$1,000,000 ?
Yes. Wake up and smell the coffee.

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/news/2020/03/new-order-makes-self-isolation-mandatory-for-individuals-entering-canada.html
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The order will be fully implemented by the Canada Border Services Agency at points of entry by midnight tonight. The Government of Canada will use its authority under the Quarantine Act to ensure compliance with the order. Failure to comply with this Order is an offense under the Quarantine Act. Maximum penalties include a fine of up to $750,000 and/or imprisonment for six months. Further, a person who causes a risk of imminent death or serious bodily harm to another person while wilfully or recklessly contravening this Act or the regulations could be liable for a fine of up to $1,000,000 or to imprisonment of up to three years, or to both. Spot checks will be conducted by the Government of Canada to verify compliance.

No reason to offer any leniency to people risking mass casualties. Israel should do the same.

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