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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #241 on: June 11, 2020, 06:51:55 PM »
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #242 on: June 12, 2020, 11:19:32 AM »
It could be it would be a 2nd wave, but now we know much better how to treat patients and to avoid deads then we did 3 months ago.
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #243 on: June 12, 2020, 11:27:22 AM »
We know much more about it now than we did 3 months ago. For example we now know that ventilators were killing people.

If you want you can argue it's not enough, but we definitely know much more now.
Agree: Medical personnel know a lot more about treating Covid-19.
Hospitals are not overwhelmed so that medical personnel can concentrate more fully on the patient and give better care.
Disagree: Using certain settings on ventilators are harmful in covid-19 pneumonia. 

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #244 on: June 12, 2020, 11:30:21 AM »
Agree: Medical personnel know a lot more about treating Covid-19.
Hospitals are not overwhelmed so that medical personnel can concentrate more fully on the patient and give better care.
Disagree: Using certain settings on ventilators are harmful in covid-19 pneumonia. 
What have they learned that would make for a different outcome were there to be a 2nd wave before a vaccine comes out?
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #245 on: June 12, 2020, 05:09:57 PM »
What have they learned that would make for a different outcome were there to be a 2nd wave before a vaccine comes out?
Giving oxygen at home based on (pulse/ox) oxygen levels. (At least in our community.)
Medical stuff:
How to set the respirators for covid pneumonia.
Tolerance for high CO2 levels as long as the patient is oxygenating.
Which drugs to give at which signs.
I'm sure more that I (not a doctor)don't know.

And don't discount the not being overwhelmed part; the patients get more attention.

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #246 on: June 12, 2020, 05:31:11 PM »
Giving oxygen at home based on (pulse/ox) oxygen levels. (At least in our community.)
Medical stuff:
How to set the respirators for covid pneumonia.
Tolerance for high CO2 levels as long as the patient is oxygenating.
Which drugs to give at which signs.
I'm sure more that I (not a doctor)don't know.

And don't discount the not being overwhelmed part; the patients get more attention.
Who said things won't be overwhelmed if there's a true 2nd wave?
Which drugs have proved to work well for COVID-19?
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #247 on: June 12, 2020, 06:38:20 PM »
I don't think we should be talking about a 2nd wave until we're out of the first wave


https://twitter.com/ErickFernandez/status/1271555787043864576?s=20

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #248 on: June 12, 2020, 06:51:40 PM »
I don't think we should be talking about a 2nd wave until we're out of the first wave


https://twitter.com/ErickFernandez/status/1271555787043864576?s=20

Your guy is missing record numbers in Arkansas and California this week. Don't worry, it's all an illusion.

I don't think you'll see an immediate spike. Given the 7-14 day incubation period and the time it would take for the spread to regain traction, I don't think you would see large numbers until 1 month after restrictions are lifted. Personally, the date I'm watching is around June 10th. If the US can get through Memorial Day weekend without completely f-ing everything up, I'll have a certain amount of confidence loosening my family's restrictive protocol. I don't have a lot of faith in that happening, though.
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #249 on: June 12, 2020, 06:54:27 PM »
Your guy is missing record numbers in Arkansas and California this week. Don't worry, it's all an illusion.
Welcome back. And good call.
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #250 on: June 12, 2020, 06:58:02 PM »
Your guy is missing record numbers in Arkansas and California this week. Don't worry, it's all an illusion.
Cute. But florida barely had any cases originally so how is it a second wave? If new york had a tremendous uptick that would be a second wave... there still on the first

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #251 on: June 12, 2020, 07:02:26 PM »
Does it matter if it is the first or second wave?
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #252 on: June 12, 2020, 07:08:27 PM »
Does it matter if it is the first or second wave?
There are people who would really like one, just so they can say told you so

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #253 on: June 12, 2020, 07:10:27 PM »
There are people who would really like one, just so they can say told you so
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #254 on: June 12, 2020, 07:51:08 PM »
I don't think we should be talking about a 2nd wave until we're out of the first wave


https://twitter.com/ErickFernandez/status/1271555787043864576?s=20
Lakewood-almost no cases with thousands of frum people in shuls and schools with no SD. Same for many NYC frum communities. People are confusing places that haven’t been hit hard and are indeed susceptible to a second (first?) wave and places that have been hit and are not seeing any further activity nor are they even remotely likely to see a large second wave going forward.

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #255 on: June 13, 2020, 09:58:38 PM »
There are people who would really like one, just so they can say told you so
A person dies. Does it matter if you say it was from 1st, 2nd, 3rd ect wave?
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #256 on: June 13, 2020, 11:27:24 PM »
There are people who would really like one, just so they can say told you so
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #257 on: June 13, 2020, 11:34:00 PM »
Add to worst of DDF thread.
I would put it in the DACOTY
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #258 on: June 13, 2020, 11:54:20 PM »
Lakewood-almost no cases with thousands of frum people in shuls and schools with no SD. Same for many NYC frum communities. People are confusing places that haven’t been hit hard and are indeed susceptible to a second (first?) wave and places that have been hit and are not seeing any further activity nor are they even remotely likely to see a large second wave going forward.
Source? (medical)
There are people who would really like one, just so they can say told you so
Did you think this was a normal thing to say in any way for any reason?
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #259 on: June 13, 2020, 11:56:06 PM »
I don't think we should be talking about a 2nd wave until we're out of the first wave


https://twitter.com/ErickFernandez/status/1271555787043864576?s=20
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/13/anthony-fauci-second-wave-coronavirus-cases

But Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases who has been sidelined by the White House since April, after breaking with Donald Trump’s position on reopening the economy, told CNN on Friday increases in cases in several states were not necessarily indicative of a “second spike” of infections.

“When you start to see increases in hospitalisation, that’s a surefire situation that you’ve got to pay close attention to,” Fauci said.

“It is not inevitable that you will have a so-called ‘second wave’ in the fall, or even a massive increase if you approach it in the proper way,” he added, advising people to maintain social distancing and to continue to wear masks in public.

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