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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #525 on: June 18, 2020, 12:11:26 PM »
Unfortunately many are not capable of separating the two.
Just like the public health experts who said protesting was okay.

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #526 on: June 18, 2020, 12:20:05 PM »
To your last point, Iím not sure who you call reasonable people but a very large number of epidemiologists have said they believe there will be a mass produced vaccine by January 2021. If youíd bet on an outcome we can take this over to JS and Iíd put money down on that happening.

Without touching on some other points at the moment, just to your point about a mass produced (and distributed?) effective vaccine by 2021, see:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/30/opinion/coronavirus-covid-vaccine.html

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #527 on: June 18, 2020, 01:10:02 PM »
It's just a first wave, looking at NYC go back to normal nebech

And Orlando probably a major virus hotspot

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #528 on: June 18, 2020, 01:16:40 PM »
It's just a first wave, looking at NYC go back to normal nebech

And Orlando probably a major virus hotspot
So even though numbers have been dropping for months everyone should stay indoors?

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #529 on: June 18, 2020, 01:18:17 PM »
So even though numbers have been dropping for months everyone should stay indoors?
Still putting words in people's mouths?
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #530 on: June 18, 2020, 01:22:00 PM »
Still putting words in people's mouths?
He said looking at people going back to normal nebach... did I miss something?

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #531 on: June 18, 2020, 01:27:06 PM »
He said looking at people going back to normal nebach... did I miss something?

Once again, there's a lot of space between staying home and going back to normal.
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #532 on: June 18, 2020, 01:27:12 PM »
He said looking at people going back to normal nebach... did I miss something?
Yes, a complete lack of nuance.
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #533 on: June 18, 2020, 01:47:03 PM »
You missed the fact that rising numbers means it's spreading.. you also conviently ignore that it took a while for NY to blow up earlier.


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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #534 on: June 18, 2020, 01:53:21 PM »
Without touching on some other points at the moment, just to your point about a mass produced (and distributed?) effective vaccine by 2021, see:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/30/opinion/coronavirus-covid-vaccine.html

Side note about all disagreements: we should all be mindful of confirmation bias.
You said no reasonable person expects a vaccine in less than 18 months, and quoting one opinion piece that says itís unrealistic doesnít prove your negative. Many reasonable people have at this point agreed a vaccine by early 2021 is possible and even likely. I would be happy to provide sources of epidemiologists concurring if I donít count as reasonable enough to you.

Keep in mind that piece is from 7 weeks ago, which is eons. Several very promising vaccine candidates are already at Phase 3 clinical trials.

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #535 on: June 18, 2020, 01:57:08 PM »
That's why rising numbers matter, it means an active upward trend of spreading.

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #536 on: June 18, 2020, 02:01:28 PM »
The reason the virus is making less waves now is simply because

#1 hospitals aren't being flooded like before
#2 treatment got significantly better, much lower % are dying bh

There are 2 drugs out there that work. If remisvider lowers patients hospital stays by a few days, that clears up beds and hospital man power

The second drug for more chronic patients is saving lives.  Or any immunosuppressants they are using has been saving lives.

However, the idea was being safe, social distancing, masks, wash hands.

You sound like people in the eye of the hurricane, inside the eye it's very calm.

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #537 on: June 18, 2020, 02:09:12 PM »
You sound like people in the eye of the hurricane, inside the eye it's very calm.
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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #538 on: June 18, 2020, 02:23:37 PM »
You missed the fact that rising numbers means it's spreading.. you also conviently ignore that it took a while for NY to blow up earlier.
Sure, was spreading around like wild fire we just didn't know. The entire state must be blind...

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Re: Is there a second wave?
« Reply #539 on: June 18, 2020, 02:28:46 PM »


The reason the virus is making less waves now is simply because

#1 hospitals aren't being flooded like before
#2 treatment got significantly better, much lower % are dying bh

There are 2 drugs out there that work. If remisvider lowers patients hospital stays by a few days, that clears up beds and hospital man power

The second drug for more chronic patients is saving lives.  Or any immunosuppressants they are using has been saving lives.

However, the idea was being safe, social distancing, masks, wash hands.

You sound like people in the eye of the hurricane, inside the eye it's very calm.

Why aren't they flooded like before? First we were all dumb because we didn't close shuls fast enough, now that they are all open and numbers are down.... new twist.  And great comparison, your talking about a virus that was spreading like wildfire and nobody knew about it?! More accurate comparison would be standing outside when it's nice weather and saying hey its nice weather.