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Re: Minyan Guidance In Your Community
« Reply #160 on: May 20, 2020, 01:04:57 PM »
You really think every backyard will be kept to strictly 10  :o

Depends on the crowd. I'm dying to go to my parents for Shavuos, but the exactly 10 rule will make it very hard for me to get into a minyan. Someone needs to get clarity on acceptable overflow solutions.
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Re: Minyan Guidance In Your Community
« Reply #161 on: May 20, 2020, 01:36:32 PM »
You really think every backyard will be kept to strictly 10  :o
IDK if it was officially allowed, but I don't think backyard minyanim stuck to exactly 10.
That would be very dependent upon the floor plan and size combined with how many people you are looking to accomodate.
Even just an extra 2 people, just because making sure all 10 people are there on time can be incredibly challenging.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Minyan Guidance In Your Community
« Reply #162 on: May 20, 2020, 01:43:04 PM »
Even just an extra 2 people, just because making sure all 10 people are there on time can be incredibly challenging.
Tell me about it. I am struggling with close to 20 (on 5 distinctly separate properties)
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Re: Minyan Guidance In Your Community
« Reply #163 on: May 20, 2020, 01:44:21 PM »
IDK if it was officially allowed, but I don't think backyard minyanim stuck to exactly 10. Even just an extra 2 people, just because making sure all 10 people are there on time can be incredibly challenging.

Have not yet attended a backyard minyan as they are not yet permitted in my community, but I am thinking a bigger challenge than making sure all attend on time is making sure all answer Amen.

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Re: Minyan Guidance In Your Community
« Reply #164 on: May 20, 2020, 01:45:47 PM »
Have not yet attended a backyard minyan as they are not yet permitted in my community, but I am thinking a bigger challenge than making sure all attend on time is making sure all answer Amen.
That will depend on the attendees.
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Re: Minyan Guidance In Your Community
« Reply #165 on: May 20, 2020, 01:49:25 PM »
Tell me about it. I am struggling with close to 20 (on 5 distinctly separate properties)
The advantage of multiple options is that everyone can commit to the time that works for them.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Minyan Guidance In Your Community
« Reply #166 on: May 20, 2020, 01:50:12 PM »
The advantage of multiple options is that everyone can commit to the time that works for them.
At least in theory.
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Re: Minyan Guidance In Your Community
« Reply #167 on: May 20, 2020, 01:53:02 PM »
You really think every backyard will be kept to strictly 10  :o

I don't see how this affects backyard Minyanim.

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Re: Minyan Guidance In Your Community
« Reply #168 on: May 20, 2020, 08:50:06 PM »
At least one shul in NYC is adopting an overflow approach, where there's a minyan of exactly 10 in one room, and space for the off ones out to participate from another.
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Re: Minyan Guidance In Your Community
« Reply #169 on: May 20, 2020, 09:25:25 PM »
There's a meeting tomorrow with the Mayor to understand how they will interpret, and possibly enforce, today's announcement from Albany.

Stay tuned...

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Re: Minyan Guidance In Your Community
« Reply #170 on: May 20, 2020, 09:33:58 PM »
Started tonight in my kehilla in KGH based on our Rov's guidance. Spread over a few backyards in different locations, closer to 15 per minyan (haven't heard the rationale yet why more than 10 is ok). It's supposed to be 'capsule' style, in that you're locked into your group for good, for all 3 minyanim daily. Definitely many others not within my kehilla that are starting to do the same.

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Re: Minyan Guidance In Your Community
« Reply #171 on: May 21, 2020, 02:35:52 PM »
There's a meeting tomorrow with the Mayor to understand how they will interpret, and possibly enforce, today's announcement from Albany.

Stay tuned...

Any news?
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Re: Minyan Guidance In Your Community
« Reply #173 on: May 21, 2020, 08:13:07 PM »
כ״ז אייר תש״פ
Thursday, May 21st, 2020

To our fellow members of the Queens Jewish Community,

As you have most likely already heard, Governor Cuomo announced yesterday, May 20th that as of today, Thursday, May 21, religious gatherings of no more than ten people are permitted throughout New York State.

We are first and foremost extremely grateful to the רבש"ע that we are now allowed, albeit in small groups, to return to our shuls. We approach our return to תפילה בצבור with a great deal of excitement and anticipation and a renewed appreciation for כבוד התפלה and קדושת בית הכנסת.  Hopefully, each of us will renew our commitment to daven with more concentration, less distraction, and no talking throughout the davening.

We also express our sincere thanks to Governor Cuomo for his sensitivity to our community’s spiritual needs.

At the same time, we recognize that due to ongoing concerns for our health and safety, there are rabonim and shuls that will choose to follow the recommendation of the Orthodox Union which encourages an additional two week waiting period before returning to shul.

Other rabonim and shuls will choose to follow the guidelines of Agudath Israel which supports the immediate reopening of shuls.

In addition, many rabonim may choose to first daven only outdoors as suggested by the governor and to return to indoor minyonim at a later date.

All, however, agree, and we, the undersigned Rabbis strongly reiterate, that any and all minyonim must conform to all the requirements of New York State law, including the wearing of face masks by all ten participants and proper social distancing at all times.

In addition, we strongly urge each minyan to appoint a coordinator who will report to his own Rav and assume full responsibility to ensure all safety protocols are carefully observed.  If any of the safety protocols are breached the minyan should be closed immediately.

Individuals over age 65 or those who have an underlying medical condition should not attend minyan at this time. No one should exert pressure to convince someone else to attend a minyan.

The coordinator must consult his Rav to seek guidance related to if at all (when necessary) shorten the Tefila and how to properly and safely perform Krias HaTorah. The participants must bring their own siddur and chumash; there should be no lingering and socializing before or after minyan and there may not be any food or drink served. Mincha and Maariv should be davened in succession around sunset without any break in between. It is best to daven with the same minyan consistently rather than daven in numerous different minyonim.

For those davening outside, please be mindful of your neighbors. Do not disturb by davening too loudly or by davening in a location that inconveniences others.
It is our sincere hope that our reinvigorated Tefilos serve as a zechus for our entire community to be blessed with continued good health.


Rabbi Haim Alcabes - Cong. Mekor Haberacha
Rabbi Nir Aminov- Cong. Ner Mordechai
Rabbi Shaul Arieli- Cong. Ohel Yitzchok
Rabbi Baruch Babaev- Bukharian Jewish Center
Rabbi Yaakov Bergman- Bais Medrash- Kew Gardens Hils
Rabbi Yaakov Friedman- Cong. Bais Yosef Ulem
Rabbi Ephraim Glatt- Young Israel of Kew Gardens Hills
Rabbi Sholem B. Hecht- Sephardic Cong. Forest Hills
Rabbi Binyomin Kessler- Cong. Toras Emes
Rabbi Shmuel Lemann - Torah Center of Hillcrest
Rabbi Dov Lerner - Young Israel of Jamaica Estates
Rabbi Shmuel Marcus- Young Israel of Queens Valley
Rabbi Binyomin Mittel- Cong. Nachlas Avos -EJC
Rabbi Shlomo Nisanov - Cong. Kehillas Sephardim
Rabbi Noach Isaac Oelbaum- Cong. Nachlas Yitzchok
Rabbi Mutti Saltzman- Young Israel of Briarwood
Rabbi Asher Schechter - Torah Center of Hillcrest
Rabbi Yoel Schonfeld- Young Israel Kew Gardens Hills
Rabbi Ashie Schreier- Young Israel of Forest
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Re: Minyan Guidance In Your Community
« Reply #174 on: May 21, 2020, 09:00:59 PM »
כ״ז אייר תש״פ
Thursday, May 21st, 2020

To our fellow members of the Queens Jewish Community,

As you have most likely already heard, Governor Cuomo announced yesterday, May 20th that as of today, Thursday, May 21, religious gatherings of no more than ten people are permitted throughout New York State.

We are first and foremost extremely grateful to the רבש"ע that we are now allowed, albeit in small groups, to return to our shuls. We approach our return to תפילה בצבור with a great deal of excitement and anticipation and a renewed appreciation for כבוד התפלה and קדושת בית הכנסת.  Hopefully, each of us will renew our commitment to daven with more concentration, less distraction, and no talking throughout the davening.

We also express our sincere thanks to Governor Cuomo for his sensitivity to our community’s spiritual needs.

At the same time, we recognize that due to ongoing concerns for our health and safety, there are rabonim and shuls that will choose to follow the recommendation of the Orthodox Union which encourages an additional two week waiting period before returning to shul.

Other rabonim and shuls will choose to follow the guidelines of Agudath Israel which supports the immediate reopening of shuls.

In addition, many rabonim may choose to first daven only outdoors as suggested by the governor and to return to indoor minyonim at a later date.

All, however, agree, and we, the undersigned Rabbis strongly reiterate, that any and all minyonim must conform to all the requirements of New York State law, including the wearing of face masks by all ten participants and proper social distancing at all times.

In addition, we strongly urge each minyan to appoint a coordinator who will report to his own Rav and assume full responsibility to ensure all safety protocols are carefully observed.  If any of the safety protocols are breached the minyan should be closed immediately.

Individuals over age 65 or those who have an underlying medical condition should not attend minyan at this time. No one should exert pressure to convince someone else to attend a minyan.

The coordinator must consult his Rav to seek guidance related to if at all (when necessary) shorten the Tefila and how to properly and safely perform Krias HaTorah. The participants must bring their own siddur and chumash; there should be no lingering and socializing before or after minyan and there may not be any food or drink served. Mincha and Maariv should be davened in succession around sunset without any break in between. It is best to daven with the same minyan consistently rather than daven in numerous different minyonim.

For those davening outside, please be mindful of your neighbors. Do not disturb by davening too loudly or by davening in a location that inconveniences others.
It is our sincere hope that our reinvigorated Tefilos serve as a zechus for our entire community to be blessed with continued good health.


Rabbi Haim Alcabes - Cong. Mekor Haberacha
Rabbi Nir Aminov- Cong. Ner Mordechai
Rabbi Shaul Arieli- Cong. Ohel Yitzchok
Rabbi Baruch Babaev- Bukharian Jewish Center
Rabbi Yaakov Bergman- Bais Medrash- Kew Gardens Hils
Rabbi Yaakov Friedman- Cong. Bais Yosef Ulem
Rabbi Ephraim Glatt- Young Israel of Kew Gardens Hills
Rabbi Sholem B. Hecht- Sephardic Cong. Forest Hills
Rabbi Binyomin Kessler- Cong. Toras Emes
Rabbi Shmuel Lemann - Torah Center of Hillcrest
Rabbi Dov Lerner - Young Israel of Jamaica Estates
Rabbi Shmuel Marcus- Young Israel of Queens Valley
Rabbi Binyomin Mittel- Cong. Nachlas Avos -EJC
Rabbi Shlomo Nisanov - Cong. Kehillas Sephardim
Rabbi Noach Isaac Oelbaum- Cong. Nachlas Yitzchok
Rabbi Mutti Saltzman- Young Israel of Briarwood
Rabbi Asher Schechter - Torah Center of Hillcrest
Rabbi Yoel Schonfeld- Young Israel Kew Gardens Hills
Rabbi Ashie Schreier- Young Israel of Forest

Here is the rest of the list, courtesy of www.queensvaad.org

Rabbi Ashie Schreier- Young Israel of Forest Hills

Rabbi Chaim Schwartz- Cong. Ohr Bechor Halevi

Rabbi Elan Segelman- Kehilas Torah Temimah

Rabbi Dovid Sheinfeld – Cong. Degel Israel

Rabbi Aryeh Sokoloff – Cong. Adas Yeshurun

Rabbi Peretz Steinberg- Young Israel Queens Valley

Rabbi Moshe Taub – Young Israel of Hillcrest

Rabbi Etan Tanenbaum- Bais Medrash Zichron Shalom

Rabbi Mishel Teitz- Cong. Aderes Eliyahu

Rabbi Moshe Turk- Jewish Heritage Center

Rabbi Herschel Welcher- Cong. Ahavas Yisrael

Rabbi Elchonon Zohn

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Re: Minyan Guidance In Your Community
« Reply #175 on: May 21, 2020, 10:03:11 PM »
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Re: Minyan Guidance In Your Community
« Reply #176 on: May 21, 2020, 10:51:07 PM »
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Minyan Guidance In Your Community
« Reply #177 on: May 21, 2020, 11:02:19 PM »
Interesting how vague it is.
And very few signatures...

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Re: Minyan Guidance In Your Community
« Reply #178 on: May 21, 2020, 11:03:45 PM »
And very few signatures...
Who did you feel is missing?
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Re: Minyan Guidance In Your Community
« Reply #179 on: May 21, 2020, 11:04:31 PM »
And very few signatures...
The same few signatures that have been on every Lakewood policy for the last 20 years.