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Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
« Reply #330 on: August 03, 2020, 12:35:16 PM »
From the Govt standpoint, once they finish quarantine, they're like any other Israeli.
Not from what I'm hearing. Seminaries are talking about restricting their students the whole year.

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Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
« Reply #331 on: August 03, 2020, 12:44:32 PM »
The issue was letting in potentially thousands of infected people.
As far as I know, at this point it's not much of a risk. Hasn't Corona already gone through and run its course already in all the large frum communities where almost all the students are coming from?

I guess it depends where the students are coming from? If BP, WB, CH, or KJ, then yes, I'd say the risk is low (I'm not exactly sure what the situation is in LKWD). If it's from other communities, the risk could be just as high as all other Israelis, with the only added risk coming from being in an airplane for many hours.
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Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
« Reply #332 on: August 03, 2020, 01:53:25 PM »
Email from Mir

  Dear Parents.
I’m happy to share with you another update that hopefully will answer many of your questions that I have received over the past few days. The Yeshiva is now waiting for a final approval of the following plan which we are hoping will come any day בעזרת ה'.
Flight
·         Bochurim will need to fly on direct flights to Eretz Yisroel together with the 6 roommates they will be spending the first 2 weeks together with, on specific dates which we will share with them as soon as they get an entry permit.
·         Please note! You will need to bring your original birth certificate with you when crossing the border to Israel.
·         A bus will be waiting for the bochurim in the airport and bring them to the campus that the yeshiva has rented for the first 2 weeks.
First 2 weeks
The Talmidim will be staying throughout the first 2 weeks in a nice spacious campus near Yam Hamelach. The Yeshiva will iy”H do its utmost to provide the Bochurim with all of their needs.
Every group of 6 bochurim will have a separate room for 14 days.
Meals will be provided in their rooms.
We will בעז"ה  be able to have porch Minyonim whereby the Bochurin in each room will stand on their own porches and see all others.
There will be a special learning schedule for these 2 weeks along with shiurim from the rebbeim iy"H.
Back to Yeshiva
Capsule means a group which will stay together throughout the zman. The Yeshiva will be divided to groups of up to 50 bochurim in each capsule all of which from the same shiur.
After 2 weeks the talmidim will return to Beis Yisroel and will be learning in the Yeshiva’s בתי מדרשות, residing in nearby diros and receiving packaged food from the Yeshivah. Every Shiur will be its own capsule, having its own section in the Beis Medresh, own diros and their own dining room for שבתות וימים טובים. (as there will be no allowance for Shabbos Seudos outside of the capsule)
There will be no need to wear masks or social distancing while in these capsule areas.
   Bochurim will not be able to leave the Beis Yisroel neighborhood including Shabbos Seudos.
Within the Beis Yisroel neighborhood, Bochurim will be able to walk around and make necessary purchases while wearing masks and practicing social distancing. Any crowded area such as the shtiblach will be prohibited. Any bochur with specials need that will require leaving the Beis Yisroel neighborhood will need to receive special permission from the appointed person(s) who will be responsible for overseeing this matter.
The Yeshiva is trying bez”H to provide each capsule the possibility to exercise outside the Beis Yisroel neighborhood every week.
Fees
There is a one-time fee of $650 for the 2 weeks in Ein Gedi besides the regular tuition charges for the year.
Every Talmid will need to submit a $1,500 check which will be deposited only if Chalila a talmid violates any of the rules. This will be used to purchase an immediate flight back to his parents.
Please understand, that this is both a matter ofפיקוח נפש  and being very strictly regulated by the Israeli government. If חלילה  a bochur violates any of the rules, he is endangering the rest of the Bochurim, risking a tremendous chilul hashem, and jeopardizing all of the Bochurims rights to remain in ארץ ישראל. For the above reasons the Yeshiva will have a zero-tolerance policy, while trying to create the most comfortable and conducive environment for the Bochurim to Shteig.
Succos and winter
At the present moment it seems that bochurim will be able to be on their own (within Eretz Yisroel) over Succos Bein Hazmanim as long as they keep to the general Israeli health restrictions (e.g. masks, social distancing etc.)
As a reminder if you haven’t done so yet please click the following link https://forms.gle/LPFHw8383h4uqnid6 to apply for an entry permit. Please bear in mind that this might be the only opportunity to obtain an entry permit in the near future.

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Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
« Reply #333 on: August 03, 2020, 02:00:10 PM »
Not from what I'm hearing. Seminaries are talking about restricting their students the whole year.

Even the schools aren't, I imagine that there will be other restrictions in place - I can't imagine throngs of these kids hanging out on Ben Yehuda or the Shuk anytime soon. As I mentioned above, we're not even sure at what point the schools would be comfortable giving them an out shabbos, and even then, are the people they would potentially stay by also have an issue hosting them?

Truthfully, I can't imagine kids being allowed to go anywhere off campus at least until succos. It would be interesting to see what yeshivos and seminaries do for what is normally vacation time - it's not like many kids have family coming to visit for Yom Tov


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Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
« Reply #334 on: August 06, 2020, 03:14:54 PM »
I have a US resident trying to apply for a Permit to fly to Israel, Part of the requirements is proof of insurance for Covid-19 there. Even though Travel guard covers for Covid-19, They don't want to give me a letter stating that. Does anybody know of a insurance company that would provide a letter stating that the passenger is covered?

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Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
« Reply #335 on: August 06, 2020, 03:38:02 PM »
Israeli citizen returning to Israel needs to quarantine? Can a negative Covid test or antibodies help? And is quarantine still in the hotels or can stay home?

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Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
« Reply #336 on: August 06, 2020, 04:20:30 PM »
Israeli citizen returning to Israel needs to quarantine? Can a negative Covid test or antibodies help? And is quarantine still in the hotels or can stay home?

I guess you've not been following....

Officially the only way to avoid quarantine is to have a positive COVID-19 test followed by two negative tests. Though with the new policy to be implemented in 10 days I don't see why this shouldn't change. But don't count on anything being done logically.

As far as guaranteeing at home, if I understand correctly it might be possible.
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Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
« Reply #337 on: August 06, 2020, 04:33:14 PM »
Definitely can quarantine at home. If there are other people who didn't travel living there, I believe the traveler would have to be quarantined in one room.

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Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
« Reply #338 on: August 06, 2020, 08:27:32 PM »
I guess you've not been following....

Officially the only way to avoid quarantine is to have a positive COVID-19 test followed by two negative tests. Though with the new policy to be implemented in 10 days I don't see why this shouldn't change. But don't count on anything being done logically.

As far as guaranteeing at home, if I understand correctly it might be possible.
I've been following, but I guess I wasn't.
I did know about the posotive and then 2 negatives. But didn't know there's a new policy being implemented in 10 days.

So, I guess my question was, is the old policy of a + then 2 -'s still in place?

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Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
« Reply #339 on: August 06, 2020, 09:38:15 PM »
I've been following, but I guess I wasn't.
I did know about the posotive and then 2 negatives. But didn't know there's a new policy being implemented in 10 days.

So, I guess my question was, is the old policy of a + then 2 -'s still in place?

Just ask @aygart, I'm sure he has the most up to date information.
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Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
« Reply #340 on: August 06, 2020, 11:02:40 PM »
Just ask @aygart, I'm sure he has the most up to date information.

That would be this
don't count on anything being done logically.

Just because things turned out a certain way doesn't mean you were right.

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Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
« Reply #341 on: August 06, 2020, 11:05:59 PM »
At the present moment it seems that bochurim will be able to be on their own (within Eretz Yisroel) over Succos Bein Hazmanim as long as they keep to the general Israeli health restrictions (e.g. masks, social distancing etc.)
Is there clarity regarding this? Are seminaries also anticipating that after Succos the girls will be free to move around?

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Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
« Reply #342 on: August 07, 2020, 04:35:09 AM »
It's all up to the schools. From the government's standpoint, they can go out like any israeli citizen.

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Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
« Reply #343 on: August 07, 2020, 09:49:43 AM »
It's all up to the schools. From the government's standpoint, they can go out like any israeli citizen.
That doesn't seem to be the case with the yeshivas in the capsule system this past zman.

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Re: Israel (Not) Reopening To Foreigners
« Reply #344 on: August 07, 2020, 03:40:29 PM »
I guess you've not been following....

Officially the only way to avoid quarantine is to have a positive COVID-19 test followed by two negative tests. Though with the new policy to be implemented in 10 days I don't see why this shouldn't change. But don't count on anything being done logically.

As far as guaranteeing at home, if I understand correctly it might be possible.
what new policy are you referring to?