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Re: Is it time to reopen the country?
« Reply #40 on: May 17, 2020, 03:37:45 PM »
We keep hearing evidence of earlier and earlier cases of the virus in NYC and other places as early as January. If it took from Jan to Mid March for it to become serious in NYC, how long would a second wave take to show up if there is one?

Depends on many factors. There are many more presumed immune people walking around, plus some semblance of social distancing measures and extra precautions by higher risk groups. There are also environmental factors like temperatures rising (assumed slower spread) and hurricanes (quicker spread due to packed groceries and shared shelters). Super spreader events can also play a big role, as they tend to speed things up. In that regard, I think a lot will hinge on how this country handles Memorial Day and July 4th weekends.
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Re: Is it time to reopen the country?
« Reply #41 on: May 17, 2020, 03:45:57 PM »
Erm, #FakeNews

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/15/business/georgia-reopening-3-weeks-later/index.html



Can't see the picture you posted, but the article shows that even once the government allows people to open individuals will be responsible enough to do it carefully.

To me that seems to make the case for less government restrictions.

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Re: Is it time to reopen the country?
« Reply #42 on: May 17, 2020, 03:55:14 PM »
We keep hearing evidence of earlier and earlier cases of the virus in NYC and other places as early as January. If it took from Jan to Mid March for it to become serious in NYC, how long would a second wave take to show up if there is one?
A family member of mine knows someone in CA (not jewish) who's high school son and most of his classmates seemingly had symptoms in December. At that time they couldn't figure out what it was, they took him to a pulmonologist but he couldn't figure out what was wrong.
Depends on many factors. There are many more immune people walking around, plus some semblance of social distancing measures and extra precautions by higher risk groups. There are also environmental factors like temperatures rising (assumed slower spread) and hurricanes (quicker spread due to packed groceries and shared shelters). Super spreader events can also play a big role, as they tend to speed things up. In that regard, I think a lot will hinge on how this country handles Memorial Day and July 4th weekends.
This will likely be a big factor, between the social distancing measures, even if they are significantly relaxed, high risk people being extra careful, and the number of people with immunity I highly doubt it will flare up as rapidly as the first time around.
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Re: Is it time to reopen the country?
« Reply #43 on: May 17, 2020, 03:57:00 PM »
I'd assume it would follow the same timeline.

Started in Wuhan in October and became serious in January.
Started here in January and became serious in March.
A family member of mine knows someone in CA (not jewish) who's high school son and most of his classmates seemingly had symptoms in December. At that time they couldn't figure out what it was, they took him to a pulmonologist but he couldn't figure out what was wrong. This will likely be a big factor, between the social distancing measures, even if they are significantly relaxed, high risk people being extra careful, and the number of people with immunity I highly doubt it will flare up as rapidly as the first time around.

This would mean that all of the arguments about it being 3 weeks later in Georgia are a bunch of bunk.
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Re: Is it time to reopen the country?
« Reply #44 on: May 17, 2020, 04:04:15 PM »
Can't see the picture you posted, but the article shows that even once the government allows people to open individuals will be responsible enough to do it carefully.

To me that seems to make the case for less government restrictions.
Seems all the D’s will stay put while the R’s Rome the streets

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Re: Is it time to reopen the country?
« Reply #45 on: May 17, 2020, 04:05:29 PM »
This would mean that all of the arguments about it being 3 weeks later in Georgia are a bunch of bunk.
As well as any of the other data being used to open up the country, so what are we waiting for?
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Re: Is it time to reopen the country?
« Reply #46 on: May 17, 2020, 04:08:00 PM »
Seems all the D’s will stay put while the R’s Rome the streets

Not a D, staying home. There's plenty of stupid on both sides of the aisle.
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Re: Is it time to reopen the country?
« Reply #47 on: May 17, 2020, 04:18:08 PM »
This would mean that all of the arguments about it being 3 weeks later in Georgia are a bunch of bunk.

1 - that's not what all the experts predicting doom 3 weeks ago said

2 - the difference between the first time and now is that then it was starting from isolated instances, while now (if the social distancing doesn't work) it will spread from many people at once.

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Re: Is it time to reopen the country?
« Reply #48 on: May 17, 2020, 04:20:17 PM »
1 - that's not what all the experts predicting doom 3 weeks ago said

2 - the difference between the first time and now is that then it was starting from isolated instances, while now (if the social distancing doesn't work) it will spread from many people at once.
1-why it is important to listen to facts not experts cherry picked by someone with an agenda.
2- But what about if social distancing did work? It seems like it did.
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Re: Is it time to reopen the country?
« Reply #49 on: May 17, 2020, 04:27:18 PM »
Not a D, staying home. There's plenty of stupid on both sides of the aisle.

Implying that anyone that differs and isn't staying home is stupid?

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Re: Is it time to reopen the country?
« Reply #50 on: May 17, 2020, 04:28:50 PM »
Seems all the D’s will stay put while the R’s Rome the streets

Why does everything need to be politicised?

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Re: Is it time to reopen the country?
« Reply #51 on: May 17, 2020, 04:31:17 PM »
Implying that anyone that differs and isn't staying home is stupid?

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying  ::)
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Re: Is it time to reopen the country?
« Reply #52 on: May 17, 2020, 04:37:01 PM »
Question for all the people here that think it's not time to open the country yet.
When will it be the time?
What will it take for you to be comfortable with the country opening?
Is the answer realistic?

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Re: Is it time to reopen the country?
« Reply #53 on: May 17, 2020, 04:37:18 PM »
Why does everything need to be politicised?
Valid question but we seem to be  heading in that direction based on the polls
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Re: Is it time to reopen the country?
« Reply #54 on: May 17, 2020, 04:41:00 PM »
Question for all the people here that think it's not time to open the country yet.
When will it be the time?
What will it take for you to be comfortable with the country opening?
Is the answer realistic?
What do you mean by open the country?
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Re: Is it time to reopen the country?
« Reply #55 on: May 17, 2020, 04:44:09 PM »
What do you mean by open the country?

+1. I don't get this either. The country isn't closed. Every state has their own regulations, and even within states, the rules vary by counties and cities.
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Re: Is it time to reopen the country?
« Reply #56 on: May 17, 2020, 04:54:14 PM »
What do you mean by open the country?
What do you mean by open the country?
Read the title of the thread
I think the questions are pretty self explanatory
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Re: Is it time to reopen the country?
« Reply #57 on: May 17, 2020, 05:40:16 PM »
Read the title of the thread
I think the questions are pretty self explanatory
Who were you aiming your question at? Who feels the country should be completely shut down? Anyone on this forum?
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Re: Is it time to reopen the country?
« Reply #58 on: May 17, 2020, 05:41:57 PM »
Question for all the people here that think it's not time to open the country yet.
When will it be the time?
What will it take for you to be comfortable with the country opening?
Is the answer realistic?
Question for all the people here that like murdering old folks.
When will it be the time?
What will it take for you to agree that death is bad?
Is the answer morally acceptable?
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Re: Is it time to reopen the country?
« Reply #59 on: May 17, 2020, 05:51:33 PM »
Who were you aiming your question at? Who feels the country should be completely shut down? Anyone on this forum?
Anyone who doesn't have a clear idea of when the lockdown should end is advocating for indefinite shutdown, although they obviously won't admit it because they realize how ridiculous it is.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.