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Re: Remote Work - Is This The Future?
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2020, 11:31:05 AM »
Anything requiring collaboration becomes very dependent on peoples ability to collaborate by conference. Those skills are nowhere close to universal.
The thing with the hamster is that running on the wheel is actually what it is trying to do.

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Re: Remote Work - Is This The Future?
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2020, 11:32:16 AM »
Anything requiring collaboration becomes very dependent on peoples ability to collaborate by conference. Those skills are nowhere close to universal.
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Re: Remote Work - Is This The Future?
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2020, 11:41:31 AM »
I work in the Miami office of a global NYC-based law firm. I work mostly with colleagues in the NYC office and very few of my clients are even in Florida, so even before this hit, the Miami office was mostly a "remote" location from my perspective and I worked from home at least one day a week. In the pre-Covid era, I used to work out of WeWork spaces in Toronto when visiting family there and no one at the firm knew the difference. Frankly, many of the "culture" things that people point to in the centralized physical office (e.g. colleagues popping in to chat or socialize) are fine in moderation but on a full-time basis distract me from getting deep work done.

I think having a shared space that folks can get into, as needed, to collaborate, establish a routine, or get away from home-distractions will remain important post-Covid, but this has definitely been a light-bulb experience to many senior partners who previously swore by the face-time model. 

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Re: Remote Work - Is This The Future?
« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2020, 11:44:34 AM »
... this has definitely been a light-bulb experience to many senior partners who previously swore by the face-time model. 
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Re: Remote Work - Is This The Future?
« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2020, 02:38:12 PM »
There are legitimate counter arguments, such as ability to physically monitor employees.
Consider If employees' work (and for fair comparison, we're talking about the types of jobs that could be done remotely vs. stocking a warehouse etc.) is boring to the point that employees can't be trusted to perform remotely without employer monitoring, they probably can't be trusted in the office either. Plenty workers in boring jobs waste away hours in the physical office.

I recomend two resources on point:

The book "Remote": https://www.amazon.com/Remote-Office-Required-Jason-Fried/dp/0804137501

Great Hidden Brain podcast on "BS" jobs https://www.npr.org/2018/08/28/642706138/bs-jobs-how-meaningless-work-wears-us-down

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Re: Remote Work - Is This The Future?
« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2020, 02:39:13 PM »
Consider If employees' work (and for fair comparison, we're talking about the types of jobs that could be done remotely vs. stocking a warehouse etc.) is boring to the point that employees can't be trusted to perform remotely without employer monitoring, they probably can't be trusted in the office either. Plenty workers in boring jobs waste away hours in the physical office.

I recomend two resources on point:

The book "Remote": https://www.amazon.com/Remote-Office-Required-Jason-Fried/dp/0804137501

Great Hidden Brain podcast on "BS" jobs https://www.npr.org/2018/08/28/642706138/bs-jobs-how-meaningless-work-wears-us-down
Physically monitoring employees is old fashioned. Businesses should pivot to monitoring their work based on output, not based on how many hours they sit in the chair.
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Re: Remote Work - Is This The Future?
« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2020, 03:40:38 PM »
Physically monitoring employees is old fashioned. Businesses should pivot to monitoring their work based on output, not based on how many hours they sit in the chair.

Sort of. That will leave out items with complexity and understanding whether the complexity justifies the time spent.
The thing with the hamster is that running on the wheel is actually what it is trying to do.

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Re: Remote Work - Is This The Future?
« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2020, 03:52:17 PM »
Sort of. That will leave out items with complexity and understanding whether the complexity justifies the time spent.
Yes and no, it can get complicated, especially when managers don't necessarily understand what/how their employees are doing. But weekly reviews of "what did you accomplish this week" could go a long way. It means restructuring things.

Otherwise you can have employees sitting at their desks shopping online and doing who knows what and spending a fraction of their work hours working. Even when they are on-site.
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Re: Remote Work - Is This The Future?
« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2020, 04:43:57 PM »
Physically monitoring employees is old fashioned. Businesses should pivot to monitoring their work based on output, not based on how many hours they sit in the chair.
some prioritize old fashioned over output

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Re: Remote Work - Is This The Future?
« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2020, 05:31:00 PM »
some prioritize old fashioned over output
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Re: Remote Work - Is This The Future?
« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2020, 06:02:08 PM »
Yes and no, it can get complicated, especially when managers don't necessarily understand what/how their employees are doing. But weekly reviews of "what did you accomplish this week" could go a long way. It means restructuring things.

Otherwise you can have employees sitting at their desks shopping online and doing who knows what and spending a fraction of their work hours working. Even when they are on-site.
Sort of.

I guess we are in agreement :)
There are many ways to monitor employees.
The thing with the hamster is that running on the wheel is actually what it is trying to do.

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Re: Remote Work - Is This The Future?
« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2020, 06:09:05 PM »
I guess we are in agreement :)
There are many ways to monitor employees.
yup
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Re: Remote Work - Is This The Future?
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2020, 01:24:03 PM »
Risk is opportunity

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Re: Remote Work - Is This The Future?
« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2020, 01:09:00 AM »
any ideas how to keep logs of how you spent your day?

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Re: Remote Work - Is This The Future?
« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2020, 07:28:55 AM »
+infiniti

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