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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #105 on: May 15, 2020, 12:00:34 PM »
Huge antibody testing taking place in Lakewood this Sunday by Bikur Cholim in conjunction with Mayo. At least 3000 slots and they are maxed out.Many people I know signed up because they want to visit parents etc. and are waiting for antibody confirmation. Letís see what comes out next week.
Wait, they are checking antibodies to see if it's safe to visit their parents ???
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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #106 on: May 15, 2020, 12:02:52 PM »
But still usefull if yo want to know if you can visit parents etc...
Is it useful though? Is bikur cholim or the urgent care telling people that if they're positive for antibodies they can visit at-risk populations?

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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #107 on: May 15, 2020, 12:04:17 PM »
Bikur Cholim asked that people do not use this drive unless they are planning on donating plasma. If you just want to know if you have antibodies, you can go to Urgent Care in Todd Plaza, the results are quicker and it's covered by most insurances, but their test only tells you if you have antibodies. It does not tell you if you had covid19, and does not tell you how many antibodies you have. But still usefull if yo want to know if you can visit parents etc...
Is that test as accurate?
Workflowy. You won't know what you're missing until you try it.

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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #108 on: May 15, 2020, 12:09:01 PM »
Is that test as accurate?
No. It's the FDA allowed but not approved test made by Abbott Labs

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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #109 on: May 15, 2020, 12:09:37 PM »
Lots of people I know say, theyíre for sure going to their parents for shavous, especially if the parents already had it

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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #110 on: May 15, 2020, 12:10:52 PM »
Is it useful though? Is bikur cholim or the urgent care telling people that if they're positive for antibodies they can visit at-risk populations?
Iím sure they are not. They are doing it as part of an NIH study. Why people are going is a different reason.

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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #111 on: May 15, 2020, 12:12:19 PM »
Iím sure they are not. They are doing it as part of an NIH study. Why people are going is a different reason.
The feeling I got was, they really just need everyone for the study but the only way to get people to show up was to also offer antibody testing

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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #112 on: May 15, 2020, 12:12:22 PM »
Bikur Cholim asked that people do not use this drive unless they are planning on donating plasma. If you just want to know if you have antibodies, you can go to Urgent Care in Todd Plaza, the results are quicker and it's covered by most insurances, but their test only tells you if you have antibodies. It does not tell you if you had covid19, and does not tell you how many antibodies you have. But still usefull if yo want to know if you can visit parents etc...
Not true. The upcoming Sun. drive has nothing to do with plasma. It is for research purposes. Mayo clinic and NIH.

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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #113 on: May 15, 2020, 12:13:02 PM »
Lots of people I know say, theyíre for sure going to their parents for shavous, especially if the parents already had it

A few yard minyanim locally  are struggling this shabbos because people are going away for shabbos...

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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #114 on: May 15, 2020, 12:14:11 PM »
A few yard minyanim locally  are struggling this shabbos because people are going away for shabbos...
Yup, had that issue last week. The oilam is burnt out of the whole social distancing thing

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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #115 on: May 15, 2020, 12:14:24 PM »
Is it useful though? Is bikur cholim or the urgent care telling people that if they're positive for antibodies they can visit at-risk populations?
No, no one is saying that you can use the tests to visit grandparents. I was only replying to @Yard sale who wrote that people were going to the Bikur Cholim drive in order to know if they can visit grandparents.
The bikur cholim website has this disclaimer:

Disclaimer: If you take the test planning not to donate blood, or if you will use the results of the antibodies to determine if you can lower your social distancing, such as interacting with the elderly, this is dangerous and immoral, and can lead to more deaths in our community, r"l. The only purpose of undergoing this test is to see if you have blood that can help other stricken with COVID-19. Please do not use it for any other purpose.

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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #116 on: May 15, 2020, 12:19:58 PM »
No, no one is saying that you can use the tests to visit grandparents. I was only replying to @Yard sale who wrote that people were going to the Bikur Cholim drive in order to know if they can visit grandparents.
The bikur cholim website has this disclaimer:

Disclaimer: If you take the test planning not to donate blood, or if you will use the results of the antibodies to determine if you can lower your social distancing, such as interacting with the elderly, this is dangerous and immoral, and can lead to more deaths in our community, r"l. The only purpose of undergoing this test is to see if you have blood that can help other stricken with COVID-19. Please do not use it for any other purpose.
Correct. This is my point. People are running to get the tested so they can say I'm positive for antibodies, I can do whatever I want. But I haven't heard of any doctor/scientist actually telling people that, and the testing places are telling people specifically not like that. Plenty are saying the assumption is you're immune, but find me someone currently actually giving that as practical medical advice. Perhaps there are local doctors telling their patients such a thing. I have no idea.

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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #117 on: May 15, 2020, 12:24:57 PM »
No, no one is saying that you can use the tests to visit grandparents. I was only replying to @Yard sale who wrote that people were going to the Bikur Cholim drive in order to know if they can visit grandparents.
The bikur cholim website has this disclaimer:

Disclaimer: If you take the test planning not to donate blood, or if you will use the results of the antibodies to determine if you can lower your social distancing, such as interacting with the elderly, this is dangerous and immoral, and can lead to more deaths in our community, r"l. The only purpose of undergoing this test is to see if you have blood that can help other stricken with COVID-19. Please do not use it for any other purpose.

They have the disclaimer but they know full well what is motivating 3000 people to come. It isnít in the interest of science and donation a sample to the NIH, noble as the idea may be.

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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #118 on: May 15, 2020, 12:29:14 PM »
They have the disclaimer but they know full well what is motivating 3000 people to come. It isnít in the interest of science and donation a sample to the NIH, noble as the idea may be.

That's exactly why I replied to you. If that's your intention, then go to Urgent Care. Right now all 3000 slots for the Sunday drive are reserved, and there are many people who do want to donate plasma, but they can't sign up because people who may want the testing for other reasons are taking up the slots

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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #119 on: May 15, 2020, 12:32:02 PM »
There are two totally separate programs:
  • Plasma drives. They run antibody tests to determine donor eligibility.
  • Research. They run an antibody test, plus provide a sample to NIH. Test also includes comprehensive questionnaire.
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