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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2020, 12:06:13 AM »
And btw... for all his crazy videos ranting about the shuls being open, he was right and probably saved a bunch of lives.
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amateur response, but if you're getting on to that subject, imho, no one should use the internet or other public forum to denigrate the psak of rabbanim... (not those who are left or right of your view, if they are Gedolei Horaa and giving their daas Torah)

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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2020, 12:08:29 AM »
And btw... for all his crazy videos ranting about the shuls being open, he was right and probably saved a bunch of lives.


amateur response, but if you're getting on to that subject, imho, no one should use the internet or other public forum to denigrate the psak of rabbanim... (not those who are left or right of your view, if they are Gedolei Horaa and giving their daas Torah)
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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2020, 12:09:04 AM »
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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2020, 12:10:20 AM »
And btw... for all his crazy videos ranting about the shuls being open, he was right and probably saved a bunch of lives.


amateur response, but if you're getting on to that subject, imho, no one should use the internet or other public forum to denigrate the psak of rabbanim... (not those who are left or right of your view, if they are Gedolei Horaa and giving their daas Torah)

I'm not sure what you're saying, but people shouldn't denigrate rabbanim online, offline, publicly, or privately. Not sure how my response got there.
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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2020, 12:13:10 AM »
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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2020, 12:21:33 AM »
Degree not withstanding, I no longer believe a word he says. He's gone nuts.
Itís incredible, he overplayed his hand and now basically no one listens to him anymore.

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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2020, 12:28:26 AM »
Yup. Don't think he's even infectious disease specialist. When he says we have been seeing it definitely isn't in office. So not sure what his sources are but hard to take him seriously nonetheless

Nope he is a pediatrician and I believe he is also the medical director for Kids of Courage

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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #27 on: May 15, 2020, 12:46:54 AM »
With all due respect, he has a degree to fall back on. You're just speculating with zero sources...

And btw... for all his crazy videos ranting about the shuls being open, he was right and probably saved a bunch of lives.
You're actually the one speculating that I'm speculating.

GIYF. Most experts are still saying that say they believe that immunity is going to last.
You can say what you think when you think what you say.

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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #28 on: May 15, 2020, 12:50:44 AM »
Yeah, for sure, you know better than all the doctors who are out there on the front lines. Are you anti-vaxxer, too?
Huh? Better than all Doctors? Who's taking about all doctors? Ditchek is actually not saying here what all doctors are saying.
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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2020, 12:51:48 AM »
You're actually the one speculating that I'm speculating.

GIYF. Most experts are still saying that say they believe that immunity is going to last.
The experts know there is immunity but donít want to say so until there is scientific certainty. Ditchek has no problem saying stuff with no certainty just to inspire panic.

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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #30 on: May 15, 2020, 12:56:25 AM »
The experts know there is immunity but donít want to say so until there is scientific certainty. Ditchek has no problem saying stuff with no certainty just to inspire panic.
And I don't believe it's true that people are running for testing for curiosity as he says. It's primarily so they can donate and the number of donations has been tremendous.

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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2020, 12:56:55 AM »
Huh? Better than all Doctors? Who's taking about all doctors? Ditchek is actually not saying here what all doctors are saying.
He is saying what all the doctors that certain people with selective hearing hear. There is a very loud minority of doctors that are saying you can't trust antibodies etc.

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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2020, 12:57:59 AM »
The experts know there is immunity but donít want to say so until there is scientific certainty. Ditchek has no problem saying stuff with no certainty just to inspire panic.
Exactly. And that's why he lost credibility by a lot of people.

Did anyone listen to the recording how he is screaming against purch minyanim? He had to call his rav Friday 2 minutes before the zman to complain about it. He is ranting about people davening on balconies.

Its sad enough that we had to close the shulls. Something which hasn't happened since ww2 in Europe. Yet some people got a kick out of it and just want to make sure that we shouldn't Daven with Minyen at all. Even when it's in compliance with local health guidelines. One of the examples where the cure is worse than the disease.
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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2020, 01:00:42 AM »
He is saying what all the doctors that certain people with selective hearing hear. There is a very loud minority of doctors that are saying you can't trust antibodies etc.
Can you repeat what you just said in simple English please?
You can say what you think when you think what you say.

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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2020, 01:04:29 AM »
Can you repeat what you just said in simple English please?
There is a vocal minority of doctors that are advocating staying locked up forever because even though all viruses develop some level of immunity and even though there are no confirmed cases of anyone with antibodies getting reinfected you still never know and it is a ספק פיקוח נפש  etc etc.

There are also fearmongers (a number of them on DDF) that only hear these doctors

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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2020, 01:08:44 AM »
https://www.facebook.com/stuart.ditchek/videos/3075132022530051/

At 4 minutes in Dr. Ditchek says they are noticing steady declines in IgG levels for people taking multiple antibody tests. In his case the numbers fell too low to donate more plasma a few weeks after successfully donating.

Does this mean people will start getting reinfected?
Does this mean making a vaccine is going to be harder than we originally hoped for? Or that we'll all need frequent boosters?
Back to the original question I think what needs to be studied is how these statistics compare to other viruses. Do antibodies drop like that with other viruses and when that happens do people lose immunity? Does that make a vaccine for those viruses hard?

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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #36 on: May 15, 2020, 01:23:42 AM »
Back to the original question I think what needs to be studied is how these statistics compare to other viruses. Do antibodies drop like that with other viruses and when that happens do people lose immunity? Does that make a vaccine for those viruses hard?
You can find many studies which support immunity for Coronavirus, just it hurts the narrative and they are therefore being ignored.

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Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2020, 01:32:35 AM »
The entire COVID-19 / Wuhan Novel Coronavirus Discussion board should just be merged into one thread. Every. Single. Thread. devolves.

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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2020, 01:49:48 AM »
Exactly. And that's why he lost credibility by a lot of people.

Did anyone listen to the recording how he is screaming against purch minyanim? He had to call his rav Friday 2 minutes before the zman to complain about it. He is ranting about people davening on balconies.

Its sad enough that we had to close the shulls. Something which hasn't happened since ww2 in Europe. Yet some people got a kick out of it and just want to make sure that we shouldn't Daven with Minyen at all. Even when it's in compliance with local health guidelines. One of the examples where the cure is worse than the disease.

When Rav Michel ber weismandel went running around Europe trying to save lives, people said he was crazy.

He died young from heartbreak.

A doctor is working all day every day, he puts his life in danger, he is beyond breaking point.

And some nudnik's come along assuming that "God looks after fools and idiots"

You bash the doctors, you ignore what they say, you get sick and sadly many die and the doctor cries and screams "ad Masai"

He cries for the dead person, he cries for the almanos, he cries for the yesomim.

I know because I talk to these doctors, I talk to their wives who stay up all night as their husband's work 18-20 hour day's, as they pray for their husbands and patient's.

I'm not saying I have the answers, I'm saying that din v'cheshbon is needed.

History will be your judge

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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2020, 02:00:41 AM »
https://www.facebook.com/stuart.ditchek/videos/3075132022530051/

At 4 minutes in Dr. Ditchek says they are noticing steady declines in IgG levels for people taking multiple antibody tests. In his case the numbers fell too low to donate more plasma a few weeks after successfully donating.

Does this mean people will start getting reinfected?
Does this mean making a vaccine is going to be harder than we originally hoped for? Or that we'll all need frequent boosters?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/health/coronavirus-antibody-prevalence.html?searchResultPosition=1

ďEven if the levels of antibodies fall over time to undetectable levels, people may still retain some protection from the coronavirus.

Immune cells called T cells are valuable soldiers in fighting pathogens, and at least one study has shown that the coronavirus provokes a strong response from these cells. So-called memory cells, or B cells, may also kick into gear when they encounter the coronavirus, churning out more antibodies.Ē