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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #75 on: May 15, 2020, 10:35:33 AM »
And most have started to come out with guidelines for reopening, as well as benchmarks that need to be reached before that happens.
realistic ones?
we're at most 2 weeks into stay-at-home measures.
What does that mean?
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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #76 on: May 15, 2020, 10:36:02 AM »
realistic ones?What does that mean?

Sorry, meant months. Typo. Edited.
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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #77 on: May 15, 2020, 10:37:09 AM »
See, when people say things like this it makes me want to lock everything down even more.
Itís not like there arenít studies that say that 30 percent infection is a very plausible threshold for herd immunity for this virus.

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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #78 on: May 15, 2020, 10:38:34 AM »
Sorry, meant months. Typo. Edited.
NP. I'm not saying that what people are doing is right. Just explaining why they are fed up.
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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #79 on: May 15, 2020, 10:38:43 AM »
Itís not like there arenít studies that say that 30 percent infection is a very plausible threshold for herd immunity for this virus.
Source? And why would that be the case, if the R0 number is so high (which, if you assume a close to 30% infection rate in NY, it must be).
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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #80 on: May 15, 2020, 10:40:43 AM »
Source? And why would that be the case, if the R0 number is so high (which, if you assume a close to 30% infection rate in NY, it must be).
I meant NYC not NY.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2005.03085

Here is one of the studies. There are more I can find if you want

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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #81 on: May 15, 2020, 10:41:49 AM »
realistic ones?

In most states, yes. In NJ, maybe not so much. And I get many DDFers are in NJ, so the view that this is endless and stupid is somewhat justified, based on how it affects them. But advocating for a complete reopening because you don't like the guidelines presented to you is a gross overreaction with potentially deadly consequences, IMO.
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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #82 on: May 15, 2020, 10:44:28 AM »
Itís not like there arenít studies that say that 30 percent infection is a very plausible threshold for herd immunity for this virus.

There is not a single decision maker who would stake their reputation on those studies. For every study that shows 30%, there are more that show higher thresholds. You can make life-or-death decisions on minority opinions...
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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #83 on: May 15, 2020, 10:45:03 AM »
But advocating for a complete reopening because you don't like the guidelines presented to you is a gross overreaction with potentially deadly consequences, IMO.
I'm not saying that what people are doing is right. Just explaining why they are fed up.
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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #84 on: May 15, 2020, 10:45:25 AM »
I meant NYC not NY.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2005.03085

Here is one of the studies. There are more I can find if you want
Thanks for sharing, but do you realize youíre picking and choosing? That says that assuming an R0 number of 2.5, then herd immunity can possibly be reached at about 43%. Of course, if NYC is anywhere in the neighborhood of 43%, the R0 number must be closer to 6-7...
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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #85 on: May 15, 2020, 10:45:29 AM »
There is not a single decision maker who would stake their reputation on those studies.
Thatís why itís only my opinion :)

I am not advocating for any action on it.

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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #86 on: May 15, 2020, 10:47:31 AM »
Thanks for sharing, but do you realize youíre picking and choosing? That says that assuming an R0 number of 2.5, then herd immunity can possibly be reached at about 43%. Of course, if NYC is anywhere in the neighborhood of 43%, the R0 number must be closer to 6-7...
Oh my bad, there was a different study that said it was 30 percent not 43. Though I can only find the PDF and donít know how to upload it while on my phone.

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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #87 on: May 15, 2020, 10:52:39 AM »
https://www.facebook.com/stuart.ditchek/videos/3075132022530051/

At 4 minutes in Dr. Ditchek says they are noticing steady declines in IgG levels for people taking multiple antibody tests. In his case the numbers fell too low to donate more plasma a few weeks after successfully donating.

Does this mean people will start getting reinfected?
Does this mean making a vaccine is going to be harder than we originally hoped for? Or that we'll all need frequent boosters?

IGG levels always decline, but stay at an immune level long-term.
See graph

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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #88 on: May 15, 2020, 10:54:45 AM »
Literally no one has advocated to be shut down forever. There have been people advocating for stay-at-home measures to be in place a little longer to give science a little more time to figure out what this virus is.
First of all we have the Mayor of LA said at least another 3 months. Regardless most of them are smarter than to say so publicly, the fact that we're already 2 months in and we're still getting vague answers of when the lockdown will end is proof they want to continue as long as possible. We're way past the point of just a little longer.

Florida is packed with tourists right now. They had to close the beaches in Naples because they were slammed with zero social distancing, and 99% of the people were from out of town. In NY, even with stay-at-home measures, the subways are packed with less than 2/3 of the people wearing masks or gloves. There are stories in nearly every state of gross violations of SD, both with and without stay-at-home orders.

There is a middle ground. Show me Americans who have proved they can actually stay in that middle ground, and I'll jump on board with a partial reopening.
If so many people aren't listening, what is there to gain by continuing the lockdown? It's only hurting the people who are listening or are forced to keep their businesses shut, are we safer when we have thousands of people on the beach but the little mom and pop store can't have a single customer come in wearing gloves and a mask?
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Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
« Reply #89 on: May 15, 2020, 10:59:11 AM »
See, when people say things like this it makes me want to lock everything down even more.
Are you from NYC? In my community there definitely is some herd immunity. I'm not paskening if we should open or not based on that. Just saying what I believe the fact is.

In regards to what you're saying that no one wants lock down forever, certainly some people make it sound this way.

For example, Dr Fauci suggesting that it's good idea to continue to never shake anyone's hand. Comments like this is why people in the right are afraid that this is a never ending game..

Oh, congrats to ddf for taking a thread off topic once again...  ;)
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