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When/Where/How Do You Think You Got COVID-19?
« on: May 17, 2020, 10:09:38 PM »
I got a fever, chills, and muscle aches 10 days after going to the Ohel (packed due to on 22 shvat...never again!!!) and KWFE NY on 2/17. All the docs said it couldn't be covid and besides, there was no testing then.

Got a repeat fever in mid-March and tested negative. Been home since then.

Anyone else get sick the week after KWFE?

I did, after seeing you there  ;D
Working on getting an antibodies test. I was down with flu symptoms for about a week at the end of February, and was very careful to quarantine just in case.

Wow, anyone else at KWFE get sick?
Surprised this connection hasn't been made before. It was weeks before Purim!

I spent a long time shmoozing with a Mashgiach from Milan, before covid exploded in Italy.
Another person i went with to KWFE also got sick afterward.
Had the friend I went with to KWFE take the Abbott IgG.
Positive as well.

My theory is that KWFE NYC was a major COVID-19 spreader on 2/17. And many people went from there to KWFE LA 2 days later.
Way before even Italy knew it had a problem.
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Re: When/Where/How Do You Think You Got COVID-19?
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2020, 10:59:34 PM »
Kwfe?

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Re: When/Where/How Do You Think You Got COVID-19?
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2020, 11:05:48 PM »
i believe kinus hashluchim and shluchos in ch was a big transmitter
shluchim came from asia / china while it was still low key and then in feb for shluchos while the european countries hadnt yet realized how bad it was to lock down
stayed at family,convention, meetings, dinner etc
then a couple weeks later purim with all the events and everything going on while it became more aware worldwide and trump issuing state of emergency, then it got more attention locally but beforehand, i think we all underestimated since there wasnt any tragedies in the broader jewish community (until new rochelle)

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Re: When/Where/How Do You Think You Got COVID-19?
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2020, 11:06:33 PM »
Kwfe?
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Re: When/Where/How Do You Think You Got COVID-19?
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2020, 12:05:58 AM »
Was at both and got nothing.

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Re: When/Where/How Do You Think You Got COVID-19?
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2020, 12:15:02 AM »
Was at both and got nothing.
Tested for IgG?
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Re: When/Where/How Do You Think You Got COVID-19?
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2020, 02:49:58 AM »
Nope. No one in my household had it.

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Re: When/Where/How Do You Think You Got COVID-19?
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2020, 07:26:27 AM »
I think I got it at one of the Kidushim in 770 on Parshas Zochor...

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Re: When/Where/How Do You Think You Got COVID-19?
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2020, 09:28:19 AM »
Nope. No one in my household had it.
same here but a week before Purim my wife and kids came down with the terrible flu
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Re: When/Where/How Do You Think You Got COVID-19?
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2020, 09:44:28 AM »
same here but a week before Purim my wife and kids came down with the terrible flu
Tested for antibodies?
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Re: When/Where/How Do You Think You Got COVID-19?
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2020, 09:53:50 AM »
Tested for antibodies?
I tested last week (at chai Care) for covid and antibodies they both came back negative
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Re: When/Where/How Do You Think You Got COVID-19?
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2020, 09:58:01 AM »
Tested positive about two weeks after Purim. Pretty sure I picked it up in a crowded shul or Beis Medrash in Lakewood.
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Re: When/Where/How Do You Think You Got COVID-19?
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2020, 10:05:37 AM »
I tested last week (at chai Care) for covid and antibodies they both came back negative
What does that have to do with your wife and kids?
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Re: When/Where/How Do You Think You Got COVID-19?
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2020, 10:49:06 AM »
What does that have to do with your wife and kids?
assuming that its very contagious, I would probably also have it if this is what they had
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Re: When/Where/How Do You Think You Got COVID-19?
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2020, 10:50:31 AM »
assuming that its very contagious, I would probably also have it if this is what they had
Many reports of this being 100% false.
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Re: When/Where/How Do You Think You Got COVID-19?
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2020, 01:18:17 PM »
What does that have to do with your wife and kids?
assuming that its very contagious, I would probably also have it if this is what they had
This is a common error that many people are making. People don’t realize that it is a game of odds. Not every interaction you have with someone who has it will make you catch it, some people seem to be more or less contagious in general, and people shed different amounts of virus at different times. It’s very possible to have some people in a household catch it and others not, I know of many such cases.

This is true of ALL infectious disease, you will never have every interaction result in transmission. Certainly your chances should be higher in the same household, but it’ll never be 100%. We don’t fully understand it, but as with everything, clearly things are not so black and white. This does NOT necessarily mean you can’t catch it from someone else who is contagious in the future or that the other household members could not have transmitted virus to others. It does NOT “prove natural immunity” or anything of the sort, despite what a Hatzalah member may have said.

For this you can use flu as an analogy. You may not catch the flu even if a household member has it, but that doesn’t mean you can’t come down with it at a future time.
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Re: When/Where/How Do You Think You Got COVID-19?
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2020, 01:34:31 PM »
This is a common error that many people are making. People don’t realize that it is a game of odds. Not every interaction you have with someone who has it will make you catch it, some people seem to be more or less contagious in general, and people shed different amounts of virus at different times. It’s very possible to have some people in a household catch it and others not, I know of many such cases.

This is true of ALL infectious disease, you will never have every interaction result in transmission. Certainly your chances should be higher in the same household, but it’ll never be 100%. We don’t fully understand it, but as with everything, clearly things are not so black and white. This does NOT necessarily mean you can’t catch it from someone else who is contagious in the future or that the other household members could not have transmitted virus to others. It does NOT “prove natural immunity” or anything of the sort, despite what a Hatzalah member may have said.

For this you can use flu as an analogy. You may not catch the flu even if a household member has it, but that doesn’t mean you can’t come down with it at a future time.
We don't know if these people can ever get it, it hasn't been proven one way or the other. When people live in the same house without quarantining in a separate room I find it very difficult to believe they just didn't get it but can still get it later.
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Re: When/Where/How Do You Think You Got COVID-19?
« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2020, 01:37:51 PM »
We don't know if these people can ever get it, it hasn't been proven one way or the other. When people live in the same house without quarantining in a separate room I find it very difficult to believe they just didn't get it but can still get it later.
Agreed that it’s not proven, but certainly no inference can be made. As I said, it doesn’t necessarily mean that. Do you find that difficult to believe about the flu? Have you heard from a doctor that it’s not possible? Why is it hard to believe? This virus isn’t the most contagious disease we know of, it’s significantly less catchy than measles for instance. I don’t understand why it’s hard to believe at all.
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Re: When/Where/How Do You Think You Got COVID-19?
« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2020, 01:40:26 PM »
We don't know if these people can ever get it, it hasn't been proven one way or the other. When people live in the same house without quarantining in a separate room I find it very difficult to believe they just didn't get it but can still get it later.
Why is it hard to believe?
If you don't have a cough/sneeze, you may not be spreading.
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Re: When/Where/How Do You Think You Got COVID-19?
« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2020, 03:18:52 PM »
Why is it hard to believe?
If you don't have a cough/sneeze, you may not be spreading.
And then it depends on all sorts of things like air circulation and exactly how close they were to each other as well as the size of the viral load being expelled when breathing which can vary greatly depending on where the virus is hanging out.
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