So How Was Your Shul This Week?

[aygart]

I should know that by now.

why?

[ExGingi]

Herd immunity doesn't work that way.

I was going to insert your quotes, but then I realized that you modified @aygart's post.

Why don't you educate us (me) as to how herd immunity works.

If 70% of the "herd" has already been exposed and had symptoms and recovered, and said 70% are the only ones going to shul (with the occasional person that didn't have symptoms and might not have been exposed joining with social distancing and a mask), what in the way "herd immunity" works or doesn't work says that this is wrong?

[EliJelly]

why?

You've been pretty vocal of your opinion. I happen to agree with @ExGingi on this, not the end of the world.

[shulemw]

Your Rav took achrayus on everyone's health?
What does that even mean?

My question to you is if you know what means a chassidishe rabbi? then i will continue explaining...

its none that the baal shem tov said that he takes achrayus on one tevilah for everyone always...what does that mean how can he take achrayus?

so first you need to understand what chasiddus is and what a rabbi is...but that will get the thread off topic again...so

[Ergel]

I was going to insert your quotes, but then I realized that you modified @aygart's post.

Why don't you educate us (me) as to how herd immunity works.

If 70% of the "herd" has already been exposed and had symptoms and recovered, and said 70% are the only ones going to shul (with the occasional person that didn't have symptoms and might not have been exposed joining with social distancing and a mask), what in the way "herd immunity" works or doesn't work says that this is wrong?

Herd immunity means that a certain threshold is reached and the virus dies out because it cannot jump to new hosts and naturally dies out. That happens on a societal level and not a local level. That is because someone from the remaining 30% can pick up the virus from outside of the herd and infect the unprotected.

Now, you may mean, that the risk is low because there are fewer possible people infected and fewer people who are at risk of being infected. But that ain't herd immunity

[ExGingi]

Herd immunity means that a certain threshold is reached and the virus dies out because it cannot jump to new hosts and naturally dies out. That happens on a societal level and not a local level. That is because someone from the remaining 30% can pick up the virus from outside of the herd and infect the unprotected.

Now, you may mean, that the risk is low because there are fewer possible people infected and fewer people who are at risk of being infected. But that ain't herd immunity

OK. So let's look at the "societal level". Does that depend on zip code? On county? On State? Or does it depend on the society one intermingles with?

[Ergel]

OK. So let's look at the "societal level". Does that depend on zip code? On county? On State? Or does it depend on the society one intermingles with?

If you would limit all social interactions to the herd, then it would mean that. If you have interactions with those outside the herd, then it extends to whoever you have interactions with which can transmit the virus

[aygart]

OK. So let's look at the "societal level". Does that depend on zip code? On county? On State? Or does it depend on the society one intermingles with?

It depends on the society one mingles with and who they mingle with. A person who goes nowhere but his one shul will not be protected by herd immunity from his shul alone having herd immunity rates. This is because once they can bring it in from the outside and transmit it to those in the shul who are not immune it no longer benfits them that it would not spread numerous levels within the shul.

[Yehuda57]

My question to you is if you know what means a chassidishe rabbi? then i will continue explaining...

its none that the baal shem tov said that he takes achrayus on one tevilah for everyone always...what does that mean how can he take achrayus?

so first you need to understand what chasiddus is and what a rabbi is...but that will get the thread off topic again...so

Which Chassidishe Rebbe/Rov today is taking achruyus in the same manner as the Baal Shem Tov?

[yelped]

My question to you is if you know what means a chassidishe rabbi? then i will continue explaining...

its none that the baal shem tov said that he takes achrayus on one tevilah for everyone always...what does that mean how can he take achrayus?

so first you need to understand what chasiddus is and what a rabbi is...but that will get the thread off topic again...so

Lol. Let's start with you.

Where is the mekor for the Bal Shem Tov saying that?

[ExGingi]

If you would limit all social interactions to the herd, then it would mean that. If you have interactions with those outside the herd, then it extends to whoever you have interactions with which can transmit the virus

Excellent. Now to what extent do you think people in WB, BP and Crown Heights have interactions "outside the herd" at this time (other than possibly going shopping with a mask, as required)?

[yuneeq]

Wow... just like that?!

A few taps with your fingers and they’re done?!?

What exactly is your point? That because chassidish rebbes opened up so we should give up social distancing and take off our masks? Because that’s what I was replying to.

[Dan]

Excellent. Now to what extent do you think people in WB, BP and Crown Heights have interactions "outside the herd" at this time (other than possibly going shopping with a mask, as required)?

Nobody takes the subway?

[yuneeq]

I would like your post, but it's hard to like something so sad.

Nothing sad unless you’re not following the convo.

[yuneeq]

Some people arent looking for answers.

That’s high and mighty from someone that has been more intellectually dishonest about corona than probably anyone else I’ve spoken to. And you’ll have a difficult time saying the same about me.

Ps. My questions were rhetorical, for the purpose of making a point. Very different than “not looking for answers”. They won’t be answered because they can’t be answered without conceding my point.

[AsherO]

Nobody takes the subway?

Not (necessarily?) recommended with all the racial tension and stuff...

[aygart]

Excellent. Now to what extent do you think people in WB, BP and Crown Heights have interactions "outside the herd" at this time (other than possibly going shopping with a mask, as required)?

Nobody has a cleaning lady etc?

[Yonah]

Late to the party. I am in White Plains.

When Cuomo issued his order two weeks ago, the 7 shuls in southern westchester agreed that each shul will decide when it feels ready to re-open. Originally three said yes, but one backed out after two days and decided to wait too additional weeks like the other four shuls.

Our shul was one of the two that started - limiting minyan to 10 people. We have a signup. I'd love to cap it at the first 10 to apply, but can't do that for various reasons, including some chiyuvim who primarily daven at other shuls.

The first couple of days, the Rav invited 10 people, since the signup started we unfortunately have had to turn people away. Were very makpid about our ten person limit, as well as social distancing and masks.
General rules:
- Everyone wears a mask at all times - even Bal tefila/bal koreh
- Everyone needs to keep at least 8+ feet of distance from each other
- Everone brings their own tallis/siddur/chumash (We have an eiruv for shabbos)
- Aliyas are conactless. If you get an aliya, the Bal Koreh backs away from the Bimah, oleh approaches, but doesn't touch the torah, makes his bracha, goes back to his spot, and Bal Koreh returns.

For the most part it has been going good. For Mincha/Ma'ariv, we often split into multiple minyanim. (Understand we are a small kehila, weekday minyanim before corona had an average of about 20 people)

[ExGingi]

Nobody takes the subway?

No one that I know. AT THIS TIME.

[ExGingi]

Nobody has a cleaning lady etc?

Anyone allowing a cleaning lady into their house has already had COVID-19 symptoms.