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Lawsuits Alleging Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« on: May 24, 2020, 12:07:08 AM »
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Re: Lawsuits Alegding Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2020, 12:16:49 AM »
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Are you in any way affiliated with Ron Coleman? Curiosity. I know him peripherally and you seem to have his style.

This lawsuit is a positive for religious freedoms.

As an aside, you should probably make one master thread where you post all of your studies and suits instead of a new thread for each individual case.
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Re: Lawsuits Alegding Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2020, 12:18:33 AM »


Are you in any way affiliated with Ron Coleman? Curiosity. I know him peripherally and you seem to have his style.

This lawsuit is a positive for religious freedoms.

As an aside, you should probably make one master thread where you post all of your studies and suits instead of a new thread for each individual case.

Different topics deserve different threads.
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Re: Lawsuits Alegding Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2020, 12:20:41 AM »

Different topics deserve different threads.
This is far from the first lawsuit about religious discrimination and COVID posted on this board.
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Re: Lawsuits Alegding Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2020, 12:25:36 AM »
This is far from the first lawsuit about religious discrimination and COVID posted on this board.
Mod can decide to merge, I'm not sure if it should be separate.

I believe there might be considerable discussion about this in the future, hence, it might warrant it's own thread.
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Re: Lawsuits Alegding Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2020, 12:31:32 AM »
Mod can decide to merge, I'm not sure if it should be separate.

I believe there might be considerable discussion about this in the future, hence, it might warrant it's own thread.
I noticed you didnít answer this  ;)
Are you in any way affiliated with Ron Coleman? Curiosity. I know him peripherally and you seem to have his style.
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Re: Lawsuits Alegding Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2020, 12:43:23 AM »
This is far from the first lawsuit about religious discrimination and COVID posted on this board.
Most of the discussion about this gets drowned out by the other aspects of minyan.
It is nice to have a dedicated thread to the legal aspect of this

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Re: Lawsuits Alegding Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2020, 12:45:13 AM »
Most of the discussion about this gets drowned out by the other aspects of minyan.
It is nice to have a dedicated thread to the legal aspect of this
Youíre making like you didnít just start that from happening here again  ;)
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Re: Lawsuits Alegding Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2020, 12:57:33 AM »
The quick answer to anyone discussing 1A challenges to bans on gatherings is that there is a very easily defensible need for blanket bans on gatherings and that it is perfectly consistent with 1A to include religious gatherings in that ban. The only thing which makes it start getting confusing is if there are other gatherings allowed. Allowing people into stores and the like is not included in that.
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Re: Lawsuits Alegding Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2020, 12:58:52 AM »
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How long till anything happens with this? Will it still be relevant by then?

What happened with Knopfler and the priests lawsuit?

Also what are the judges in the court this was filed with like? It seems liberal judges don't think that much of religious rights (just like liberal politicians)

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Re: Lawsuits Alegding Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2020, 01:06:01 AM »
I noticed you didnít answer this  ;)
Do I have to? Lol

I view his Twitter content and blog, at times.

I dont necessarily agree with his thinking but I have an interest in litigation. At times he does have some valid points, just as many people.

Even if some would say opening shuls isn't safe [for a different thread], is it for government to decide?

I think I've continously posted how governments action are  in many cases most likely illegal/unlawful, some have said I'm wrong,  I think time will tell.


I'm not a lawyer, but I do have personal  experience in litigation. The furthest I have personlly litigated is at the state superior court level.  I've done some pro se and some through hiring an attorney. I've been sued and have sued. I've won, lost, settled and appealed.
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Re: Lawsuits Alegding Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2020, 01:09:57 AM »
Do I have to? Lol

I view his Twitter content and blog at times.

I dont necessarily agree with his thinking but I have an interest in litigation. At times he does have some valid points, just as many people.

Even if some would say opening shuls isn't safe [for a different thread], is it for government to decide?

I think I've continously posted how governments action are most likely illegal/unlawful, some have said I'm wrong,  I think time will tell.


I'm not a lawyer, but I do have personal  experience in litigation. The furthest I have personlly litigated is state superior court level.  Ll I've done some pro se and some thru hiring an  attorney.
Very interesting, yes we can see you have an interest in litigation :)

I agree with you that it should not be for the State to decide for us whether itís essential or not and such lawsuits are good to keep politicians in check.
Hence
This lawsuit is a positive for religious freedoms.
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Re: Lawsuits Alegding Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2020, 01:11:18 AM »
How long till anything happens with this? Will it still be relevant by then?

What happened with Knopfler and the priests lawsuit?

Also what are the judges in the court this was filed with like? It seems liberal judges don't think that much of religious rights (just like liberal politicians)
I can post it here as well, and hope to make a wiki, I didn't read knophlers  in full but from skimming through it  I dont think it was as well written and I'm not sure knopfler's attorney has the right experience, this needs further research.

Also, Knophler might not be the right candidate to be the plaintiff, that part of the lawsuit I did read.
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Re: Lawsuits Alegding Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2020, 01:11:35 AM »
How long till anything happens with this? Will it still be relevant by then?

What happened with Knopfler and the priests lawsuit?

Also what are the judges in the court this was filed with like? It seems liberal judges don't think that much of religious rights (just like liberal politicians)
Ron Coleman is an excellent well known lawyer who won a case in front of the Supreme Court. Heís very savvy and presumably picked his Court well.
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Re: Lawsuits Alegding Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2020, 01:12:27 AM »
Very interesting, yes we can see you have an interest in litigation :)

I agree with you that it should not be for the State to decide for us whether itís essential or not and such lawsuits are good to keep politicians in check.
Hence

I sent one of these lawsuits to a liberal lawyer I know. Didnít even get a straight legal opinion other than their personal opinion that itís a bad idea now. 
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Re: Lawsuits Alegding Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2020, 01:20:25 AM »


I'm not sure knopfler's attorney has the right experience, this needs further research.

Also, Knophler might not be the right candidate to be the plaintiff, that part of the lawsuit I did read.



Ron Coleman is an excellent well known lawyer who won a case in front of the Supreme Court. Heís very savvy and presumably picked his Court well.

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Re: Lawsuits Alegding Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2020, 01:22:30 AM »
I didn't read knophlers  in full but from skimming through it  I dont think it was as well written and I'm not sure knopfler's attorney has the right experience, this needs further research.

Also, Knophler might not be the right candidate to be the plaintiff, that part of the lawsuit I did read.
Agreed
I was just wondering what happened with it, (did the state respond yet, were there any hearings yet etc?)

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Re: Lawsuits Alegding Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2020, 01:27:48 AM »
Also, Knophler might not be the right candidate to be the plaintiff, that part of the lawsuit I did read.
Might? Getting arrested for a Lag Bomer fire should tell you all you need to know.
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Re: Lawsuits Alegding Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2020, 01:32:14 AM »
Might? Getting arrested for a Lag Bomer fire should tell you all you need to know.
There is a possibility it was politically motivated, I dont know the details, but there have been many outdoor  minyanim in LKWD that were allowed, yet an outdoor fire not. I dont know all the details but dont take police statements at face value. I dont want to go off topic but I wrote the wrote MIGHT due to other reasons.
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