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Re: Lawsuits Alleging Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #80 on: June 01, 2020, 03:06:40 PM »
In context of this virus we disagree.
and that is your opinion, not supported by any case to date

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Re: Lawsuits Alleging Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #81 on: June 01, 2020, 03:13:52 PM »
and that is your opinion, not supported by any case to date
Someone needs to bring a case based on if WM gets to be opened as essential service then houses of worship should also be opened because they are essential services. Until that happens it is only opinion for all of us. It is telling that when they were completely shut down they didn't try.
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Re: Lawsuits Alleging Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #82 on: June 01, 2020, 03:29:00 PM »
Someone needs to bring a case based on if WM gets to be opened as essential service then houses of worship should also be opened because they are essential services. Until that happens it is only opinion for all of us. It is telling that when they were completely shut down they didn't try.
or if political rallies (or some other essential assembly)is allowed before prayers

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Re: Lawsuits Alleging Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #83 on: June 01, 2020, 03:31:03 PM »
or if political rallies (or some other essential assembly)is allowed before prayers
You think some state is going to say political rallies are essential? IMHO that would get struck down in heartbeat.
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Re: Lawsuits Alleging Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #84 on: June 01, 2020, 04:11:48 PM »
Someone needs to bring a case based on if WM gets to be opened as essential service then houses of worship should also be opened because they are essential services. Until that happens it is only opinion for all of us. It is telling that when they were completely shut down they didn't try.
Those are different types of activity.
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Re: Lawsuits Alleging Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #85 on: June 01, 2020, 04:19:28 PM »
Those are different types of activity.
So are many activities that were labeled essential.
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Re: Lawsuits Alleging Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #86 on: June 01, 2020, 04:25:11 PM »
So are many activities that were labeled essential.
But none were religious. The argument made by the states and agreed to by SCOTUS was that this is dependent on it being regulated in the same manner as other similar activities.
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Re: Lawsuits Alleging Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #87 on: June 01, 2020, 04:33:42 PM »
But none were religious. The argument made by the states and agreed to by SCOTUS was that this is dependent on it being regulated in the same manner as other similar activities.
SCOTUS decides on what is put before them. Someone could say that places should be open because they are essential. IMHO they haven't taken that approach because it would be a slam dunk loss. WM is open because it is essential not because of its SD/gathering policy. Now we disagree on this and that is fine.
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Re: Lawsuits Alleging Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #88 on: June 01, 2020, 07:02:47 PM »
SCOTUS decides on what is put before them. Someone could say that places should be open because they are essential. IMHO they haven't taken that approach because it would be a slam dunk loss. WM is open because it is essential not because of its SD/gathering policy. Now we disagree on this and that is fine.
essentiality isn't the only factor the states have considered when deciding what to allow and what to close
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Re: Lawsuits Alleging Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #89 on: June 02, 2020, 01:06:23 PM »
Seeing this brought up as a reason to file a discrimination case against the city

https://twitter.com/chayesmatthew/status/1267846222854881282

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Re: Lawsuits Alleging Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #90 on: June 02, 2020, 01:07:38 PM »
Seeing this brought up as a reason to file a discrimination case against the city

https://twitter.com/chayesmatthew/status/1267846222854881282
Oh yes this is most definitely unconstitutional.
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Re: Lawsuits Alleging Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #91 on: June 02, 2020, 04:51:20 PM »
Agudath Israel reached out to Captain Richard Taylor of the NYPD Community Affairs Bureau who has informed us that religious services are considered essential and are not in violation of the curfew.
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Re: Lawsuits Alleging Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #92 on: June 02, 2020, 05:04:27 PM »

I felt like the other thread was a trap.  :)
Not sure how much weight to give it.
If liquor stores are essential would that mean you can violate curfew to buy liquor. Does not make sense.
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Re: Lawsuits Alleging Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #93 on: June 03, 2020, 06:04:21 AM »
I felt like the other thread was a trap.  :)
Not sure how much weight to give it.
If liquor stores are essential would that mean you can violate curfew to buy liquor. Does not make sense.
I think all shopping is permitted during the curfew.
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Re: Lawsuits Alleging Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #94 on: June 03, 2020, 06:37:59 AM »
I think all shopping is permitted during the curfew.

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Re: Lawsuits Alleging Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #95 on: June 03, 2020, 07:32:53 AM »
As long as you pay?
What kind of dictatorship tramps human privacy rights to determine that?
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Re: Lawsuits Alleging Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #96 on: June 03, 2020, 07:41:28 AM »
So far what I've taken away from the forums the past couple of weeks....
If I'm on my way to religious services and I'm stopped, I should say I'm just protesting.
If I'm on my way to protest after curfew, I should say I'm on my way to religious services, @CountValentine  is the only one who gets out, and do as I say, not as I do ואידך פירושא. זיל גמור. (Actually don't. It'll just be a giant waste of brain power)
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Re: Lawsuits Alleging Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #97 on: June 03, 2020, 10:17:22 AM »
So far what I've taken away from the forums the past couple of weeks....
If I'm on my way to religious services and I'm stopped, I should say I'm just protesting.
If I'm on my way to protest after curfew, I should say I'm on my way to religious services, @CountValentine  is the only one who gets out, and do as I say, not as I do ואידך פירושא. זיל גמור. (Actually don't. It'll just be a giant waste of brain power)
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Re: Lawsuits Alleging Religious Discrimination - Covid 19
« Reply #99 on: June 03, 2020, 01:32:33 PM »


No offense but this seems typical as of late. Quoting only part of a post and responding to it out of context while ignoring the rest.
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