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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #220 on: June 03, 2020, 05:21:04 PM »
You need to read further that the one line you quoted on that page ::)

Minnesota law prohibits intentional and unintentional killings under most circumstances. Those killings prohibited as second-degree murder include:

    Killing a human intentionally, but without premeditation (not thinking about or preparing for before)
    Killing a human while committing or attempting a drive-by shooting
    Causing someone’s death without intending the death of anyone, while committing a felony other than criminal sexual conduct (rape or sexual assault which would be first-degree murder) or a drive-by shooting
    Causing a death unintentionally, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict great physical harm on the victim when the murderer is currently restrained by a protection order (including for domestic violence, harassment, divorce, or any similar protection order) and the victim was the protected party in that order

Third-degree murder in Minnesota is causing someone’s death by one of two ways:

    A depraved heart or mind murder, which places others in eminent danger of death and disregarding human life (such as shooting a gun into a crowd for fun, but not intending to kill anyone)
    Causing someone’s death by selling, giving away, or administering a Schedule I or II controlled substance (such as selling someone adulterated heroin that kills them)
Which line are you looking at?
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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #221 on: June 03, 2020, 05:22:36 PM »
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #222 on: June 03, 2020, 05:24:29 PM »
3rd
That will be even a harder sell.
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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #223 on: June 03, 2020, 05:24:48 PM »
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #224 on: June 03, 2020, 05:27:18 PM »
Why?
Because what of what you laid out. He will say he was following procedure.
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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #225 on: June 03, 2020, 05:28:31 PM »
You need to read further that the one line you quoted on that page ::)

Minnesota law prohibits intentional and unintentional killings under most circumstances. Those killings prohibited as second-degree murder include:

    Killing a human intentionally, but without premeditation (not thinking about or preparing for before)
    Killing a human while committing or attempting a drive-by shooting
    Causing someone’s death without intending the death of anyone, while committing a felony other than criminal sexual conduct (rape or sexual assault which would be first-degree murder) or a drive-by shooting
    Causing a death unintentionally, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict great physical harm on the victim when the murderer is currently restrained by a protection order (including for domestic violence, harassment, divorce, or any similar protection order) and the victim was the protected party in that order

Third-degree murder in Minnesota is causing someone’s death by one of two ways:

    A depraved heart or mind murder, which places others in eminent danger of death and disregarding human life (such as shooting a gun into a crowd for fun, but not intending to kill anyone)
    Causing someone’s death by selling, giving away, or administering a Schedule I or II controlled substance (such as selling someone adulterated heroin that kills them)

So basically this will be decided over who can convince the jury (and presumably Minnesota Supreme Court) on the technicalities and intricacies of the law as written.

Though if he's in Jail long enough, the verdict might be given by another "justice system".
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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #226 on: June 03, 2020, 05:29:20 PM »
Because what of what you laid out. He will say he was following procedure.
That would be an argument which would trump any charge if they can convince the jury of that. It would mean that it was a justified use of force and nothing criminal happened at all. It would also mean he sues for his job back.
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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #227 on: June 03, 2020, 05:30:09 PM »
So basically this will be decided over who can convince the jury (and presumably Minnesota Supreme Court) on the technicalities and intricacies of the law as written.
Just the jury.
Though if he's in Jail long enough, the verdict might be given by another "justice system".
This isn't the movies.  ;)
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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #228 on: June 03, 2020, 05:31:35 PM »
So basically this will be decided over who can convince the jury (and presumably Minnesota Supreme Court) on the technicalities and intricacies of the law as written.


Like any other criminal proceeding. Part of the job of the judge is to give understandable guidelines of the law. The jury follows the instructions of the judge. Arguments of legal intricacies are made to the judge without the jury present.
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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #229 on: June 03, 2020, 05:33:57 PM »
Just the jury.
So you think the jury acquits?


This isn't the movies.  ;)

Jeffrey Dahmer wasn't in the movies either. Though AFAIK those sentences are usually reserved for child molesters.
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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #230 on: June 03, 2020, 05:36:07 PM »
So you think the jury acquits?
Wild guess, yes at this point.
Jeffrey Dahmer wasn't in the movies either. Though AFAIK those sentences are usually reserved for child molesters.
Waiting for trial is different.
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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #231 on: June 03, 2020, 05:45:32 PM »
Just the jury.

The jury decides fact not law. Legal arguments are not made to the jury and can be cause for a judge to sanction the attorneys.
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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #232 on: June 03, 2020, 05:47:17 PM »
The jury decides fact not law. Legal arguments are not made to the jury and can be cause for a judge to sanction the attorneys.
I meant by that if the jury says not guilty it is all over. If they say guilty it isn't over until the fat lady sings.
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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #233 on: June 03, 2020, 05:56:54 PM »
I meant by that if the jury says not guilty it is all over. If they say guilty it isn't over until the fat lady sings.
Yes, but that will be based on the instructions of the judge not which lawyer convinces an ignorant juror of the intricacies of the law.
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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #234 on: June 03, 2020, 06:37:57 PM »
Yes, but that will be based on the instructions of the judge not which lawyer convinces an ignorant juror of the intricacies of the law.

Not about the lawyer convincing the intricacies of the law, but whether the current case fits the intricacies of the law like a glove.
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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #235 on: June 03, 2020, 06:59:52 PM »
Not about the lawyer convincing the intricacies of the law, but whether the current case fits the intricacies of the law like a glove.
Like every court proceedings and why they charge multiple charges.
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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #236 on: June 03, 2020, 07:47:09 PM »
Yes, but that will be based on the instructions of the judge not which lawyer convinces an ignorant juror of the intricacies of the law.
I served on three juries and I would not say that is correct based on my small sample.
That brings up something else. Why am I 3 for 3 for serving. For some reason I think it is 4 for 4.
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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #237 on: June 03, 2020, 07:51:03 PM »


That brings up something else. Why am I 3 for 3 for serving. For some reason I think it is 4 for 4.

Based on your posts on this forum, I am not surprised. You play devil's advocate and you won't stop till everything is proven beyond doubt. That's an impartial juror.
I'm not who you think I am.

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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #238 on: June 03, 2020, 08:03:12 PM »
I served on three juries and I would not say that is correct based on my small sample.
That brings up something else. Why am I 3 for 3 for serving. For some reason I think it is 4 for 4.
That is not what happened at the 2 trials where I served as an expert witness.
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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #239 on: June 03, 2020, 08:05:31 PM »
That is not what happened at the 2 trials where I served as an expert witness.
Were you in the jury room?
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