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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #200 on: June 03, 2020, 03:11:47 PM »
Pretty incredible how they're charging people based on public reaction.
Watch him walk because he was overcharged.
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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #201 on: June 03, 2020, 03:12:50 PM »
Watch him walk because he was overcharged.
But only once it calms down, just in time to have it start all over again

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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #202 on: June 03, 2020, 03:14:27 PM »
I do not believe you for a second that after watching the video you really do not think he was killed directly by that cop.
And saying this only after the first medical examiner submitted his findings, confirms that.
What I thought has no bearing on the facts. I did not post because I didn’t have Facts, and wasn’t interested in starting a fire storm on my opinion alone. I mentioned it to plenty of my friends if that helps you.

If you care the reason I think so is because it does not seem to me that he is putting pressure on the part of the neck that would interfere with breathing.


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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #204 on: June 03, 2020, 03:15:24 PM »
Watch him walk because he was overcharged.
Unfortunately I doubt anybody there will dare exonerate him. (Not saying he should be, but he does deserve a fair trial).
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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #206 on: June 03, 2020, 03:19:24 PM »
But only once it calms down, just in time to have it start all over again

Exactly.

Unfortunately I doubt anybody there will dare exonerate him. (Not saying he should be, but he does deserve a fair trial).

I don't think he will walk but he wont get the full book thrown at him and that will be enough to start all of this again.
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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #208 on: June 03, 2020, 04:19:22 PM »
Watch him walk because he was overcharged.
Manslaughter was overcharged?
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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #210 on: June 03, 2020, 04:37:02 PM »

So no manslaughter option?

Chicago cop found guilty of second degree murder but look what he did: The white Chicago police officer who shot black teenager Laquan McDonald 16 times in an encounter captured on dashcam video has been found guilty of second-degree murder.
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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #211 on: June 03, 2020, 04:48:06 PM »
So no manslaughter option?

Chicago cop found guilty of second degree murder but look what he did: The white Chicago police officer who shot black teenager Laquan McDonald 16 times in an encounter captured on dashcam video has been found guilty of second-degree murder.

Each state defines the different degrees differently.
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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #212 on: June 03, 2020, 04:51:03 PM »
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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #213 on: June 03, 2020, 04:52:16 PM »
Each state defines the different degrees differently.
Do you know what it is?
ETA:https://statelaws.findlaw.com/minnesota-law/minnesota-second-degree-murder.html

Here is a general one and they are going to have problems.
Second degree murder is generally defined as intentional murder that lacks premeditation, is intended to only cause bodily harm, and demonstrates an extreme indifference to human life. The exact legal definition of this crime will vary by jurisdiction.
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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #214 on: June 03, 2020, 04:52:19 PM »
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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #215 on: June 03, 2020, 04:56:50 PM »
I don't see how he gets convicted of 2nd or 3rd degree murder if that's correct.
3rd degree - A depraved heart or mind murder, which places others in eminent danger of death and disregarding human life
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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #216 on: June 03, 2020, 05:06:43 PM »
3rd degree - A depraved heart or mind murder, which places others in eminent danger of death and disregarding human life

"As the state’s highest court stated in State v. Barnes (2006), unlike other forms of murder, “[d]epraved mind murder … cannot occur where the defendant’s actions were focused on a specific person.”"
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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #217 on: June 03, 2020, 05:07:54 PM »
Do you know what it is?
ETA:https://statelaws.findlaw.com/minnesota-law/minnesota-second-degree-murder.html

Here is a general one and they are going to have problems.
Second degree murder is generally defined as intentional murder that lacks premeditation, is intended to only cause bodily harm, and demonstrates an extreme indifference to human life. The exact legal definition of this crime will vary by jurisdiction.

The argument goes like this: Chauvin’s use of forceful restraint on a handcuffed, prone, and unresponsive man suffering from clear cardiovascular distress was an unjustified use of force under state law. This was not just an excessive use of force for which he could be fired, but a crime of either first- or third-degree assault.

If Chauvin’s criminal assault played a causal role in Floyd’s death (and it appears it did), then he is guilty of felony murder, even if he did not intend for his assault to kill Floyd.
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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #218 on: June 03, 2020, 05:11:08 PM »
The argument goes like this: Chauvin’s use of forceful restraint on a handcuffed, prone, and unresponsive man suffering from clear cardiovascular distress was an unjustified use of force under state law. This was not just an excessive use of force for which he could be fired, but a crime of either first- or third-degree assault.

If Chauvin’s criminal assault played a causal role in Floyd’s death (and it appears it did), then he is guilty of felony murder, even if he did not intend for his assault to kill Floyd.
Not disagree but were does "intentional" come in?
ETA: I guess it could be the length of time he was on his neck. The Chicago cop was convicted not because he shot the suspect but because he shot him 16 times. At some point between 1 and 16 it became intentionally.
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Re: George floyd was murdered by the MPD on tape.
« Reply #219 on: June 03, 2020, 05:17:13 PM »
Not disagree but were does "intentional" come in?
You need to read further that the one line you quoted on that page ::)

Minnesota law prohibits intentional and unintentional killings under most circumstances. Those killings prohibited as second-degree murder include:

    Killing a human intentionally, but without premeditation (not thinking about or preparing for before)
    Killing a human while committing or attempting a drive-by shooting
    Causing someone’s death without intending the death of anyone, while committing a felony other than criminal sexual conduct (rape or sexual assault which would be first-degree murder) or a drive-by shooting
    Causing a death unintentionally, while intentionally inflicting or attempting to inflict great physical harm on the victim when the murderer is currently restrained by a protection order (including for domestic violence, harassment, divorce, or any similar protection order) and the victim was the protected party in that order

Third-degree murder in Minnesota is causing someone’s death by one of two ways:

    A depraved heart or mind murder, which places others in eminent danger of death and disregarding human life (such as shooting a gun into a crowd for fun, but not intending to kill anyone)
    Causing someone’s death by selling, giving away, or administering a Schedule I or II controlled substance (such as selling someone adulterated heroin that kills them)
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