Author Topic: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim  (Read 8880 times)

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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2020, 08:39:59 PM »
I am finding that most shuls with leadership are much more restrictive.
I know many shuls in lakewood with leadership and am aware of a single shul (with an older population) that requires masks (one more shul requires you have a mask but don't need to wear one). I'm sure there are more but they are the exception.

Many shuls have leadership but the leadership (and the population in general) just doesn't share your worldview right now

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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2020, 08:40:15 PM »
Only half the amount of people in each minyan
So instead of the normal 6 inch space
It will be a foot and half between people
Shouldn't double the space equal 12 inches, not 18?

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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2020, 08:43:40 PM »


I know many shuls in lakewood with leadership and am aware of a single shul (with an older population) that requires masks (one more shul requires you have a mask but don't need to wear one). I'm sure there are more but they are the exception.

Many shuls have leadership but the leadership (and the population in general) just doesn't share your worldview right now

I don't know about masks specifically but in general that they are more restrictive. And I am not referring to ships with older people at all. The more you write about what you think my view is the less I think you understand it.
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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2020, 08:44:14 PM »
Shouldn't double the space equal 12 inches, not 18?

people take up space as well

More accurately it would be close to 3 feet between people at half capacity

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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2020, 10:20:10 PM »


At 2:34:28 Rabbi Rotberg says he knows 2 families that are sick with covid for the first time

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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2020, 11:03:45 AM »
Accomodaboth only accommodates one side.
-1 The shul is not responsible to force people to do something because you think they should, but they are accommodating those who feel the proper way to daven in the current situation is with social distancing by allowing them to daven in the way they feel they can daven in shul.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2020, 11:19:38 AM »
I would call the police if I witnessed a shul in clear violation of the law.

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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2020, 11:23:34 AM »
I would call the police if I witnessed a shul in clear violation of the law.
I would ask a shaila before doing that, it’s playing with fire. You may be allowed to but it’s not something you wanna decide on your own

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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #28 on: May 28, 2020, 11:31:16 AM »
I would call the police if I witnessed a shul in clear violation of the law.
For the right intentions, I fully agree with you.

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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #29 on: May 28, 2020, 11:32:57 AM »
I would call the police if I witnessed a shul in clear violation of the law.
This is why we can't have good things

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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #30 on: May 28, 2020, 11:33:56 AM »
I would call the police if I witnessed a shul in clear violation of the law.

So sorry to hear that. Do you really feel a shul that has 11 people indoors is putting everyone in mortal danger so that mesirah is permitted?? A moser loses his entire share in olam haba as is brought down in poskim. I know you identify with MO but no mainstream MO sifrei teshuvos that I am aware of disputes this Halacha. There is a very fine line and slippery slope between mitzvah and moser. I would not be so cavalier about it. Even where mesirah is warranted there are steps enumerated in the poskim other are required to be taken first; warning the person putting others in imminent danger where possible. Minimizing the mesirah to the least extent possible to mitigate the danger etc. There are volumes in the poskim written on this. Even where it would be a mitzvah to moser, one who failed to do the above still loses his olam habah and in earlier time his life would be forfeit.

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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #31 on: May 28, 2020, 11:36:02 AM »
This is why we can't have good things
This and other people who are willing to make life and death decisions based on emotions the other direction as well.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #32 on: May 28, 2020, 11:36:52 AM »
So sorry to hear that. Do you really feel a shul that has 11 people indoors is putting everyone in mortal danger so that mesirah is permitted?? A moser loses his entire share in olam haba as is brought down in poskim. There is a very fine line and slippery slope between mitzvah and moser. I would not be so cavalier about it. Even where mesirah is warranted there are steps enumerated in the poskim other are required to be taken first; warning the person putting others in imminent danger where possible. Minimizing the mesirah to the least extent possible to mitigate the danger etc. There are volumes in the poskim written on this. Even where it would be a mitzvah to moser, one who failed to do the above still loses his olam habah and in earlier time his life would be forfeit.
It is not clear that calling the police to break it up is mesira at all.
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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #33 on: May 28, 2020, 11:39:02 AM »
For the right intentions, I fully agree with you.
I’m not sure what intentions have to do with it

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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #34 on: May 28, 2020, 11:39:45 AM »
This and other people who are willing to make life and death decisions based on emotions the other direction as well.
100%. And that's the problem

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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #35 on: May 28, 2020, 11:39:48 AM »
It is not clear that calling the police to break it up is mesira at all.
Assuming no monetary summons. Can he take that chance?

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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #36 on: May 28, 2020, 11:41:14 AM »
It is not clear that calling the police to break it up is mesira at all.
Ofc it is. Learn halacha.... your called a מוסר if u get the authorities involved for pretty much anything.

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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #37 on: May 28, 2020, 11:42:27 AM »
Ofc it is. Learn halacha.... your called a מוסר if u get the authorities involved for pretty much anything.
Learn halacha... it's not as black and white as your Shul  ::)

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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #38 on: May 28, 2020, 11:44:24 AM »
Learn halacha... it's not as black and white as your Shul  ::)
OR just ask a rabbi...

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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #39 on: May 28, 2020, 11:44:51 AM »
Ofc it is. Learn halacha.... your called a מוסר if u get the authorities involved for pretty much anything.
Such a statement as the one you just made does not come from learning halacha.
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