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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #40 on: May 28, 2020, 11:45:26 AM »
Assuming no monetary summons. Can he take that chance?
Even then it is not 100% clear.
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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #41 on: May 28, 2020, 11:46:05 AM »

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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #42 on: May 28, 2020, 11:55:42 AM »
Even then it is not 100% clear.
As Rav Moshe Feinstein said when asked about a possible heter in this area: “sofek olam haba lechumra”

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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #43 on: May 28, 2020, 11:58:48 AM »
Learn halacha....

...he tells the rov.

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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #44 on: May 28, 2020, 12:01:38 PM »
1. If there were 11 people, I wouldn't. I'm talking about minyanim following no restrictions whatsoever.

2. It's pretty well documented that the shuls who aren't following the rules are well aware

3. This shiyla has been asked and paskened by  various rabbonim. I will not post their names publicly in the event that I've misunderstood it.

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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #45 on: May 28, 2020, 12:11:13 PM »
Such a statement as the one you just made does not come from learning halacha.
I actually have smicha and did learn thru the sugya. Most normal people would not call the cops on their own shul. That's really what it comes down to

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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #46 on: May 28, 2020, 12:12:12 PM »
Most normal people would not call the cops on their own shul. That's really what it comes down to
This has nothing to do with halachik mesira.
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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #47 on: May 28, 2020, 12:14:22 PM »
1. If there were 11 people, I wouldn't. I'm talking about minyanim following no restrictions whatsoever.

2. It's pretty well documented that the shuls who aren't following the rules are well aware

3. This shiyla has been asked and paskened by  various rabbonim. I will not post their names publicly in the event that I've misunderstood it.

Did u personally ask the shayla and was it asked today? A month ago was very different.

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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #48 on: May 28, 2020, 12:26:45 PM »
This has nothing to do with halachik mesira.
Correct. I was making 2 statements. One was about the halacha. Second was just practically speaking. There was a shul near me that was never closed during corona. Never crossed my mind even for a second to call the cops.

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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #49 on: May 28, 2020, 12:31:16 PM »
Correct. I was making 2 statements. One was about the halacha. Second was just practically speaking. There was a shul near me that was never closed during corona. Never crossed my mind even for a second to call the cops.

As a practical matter I fully agree with you.
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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #50 on: May 28, 2020, 01:08:39 PM »
I would call the police if I witnessed a shul in clear violation of the law.

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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #51 on: May 28, 2020, 07:28:29 PM »
Most normal people would not call the cops on their own shul. That's really what it comes down to

For most normal people it would be their former shul.
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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #52 on: May 28, 2020, 07:34:10 PM »
I would call the police if I witnessed a shul in clear violation of the law.
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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #53 on: September 13, 2020, 10:44:22 AM »
Any outdoor minyanim for RH?

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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #55 on: September 13, 2020, 12:41:22 PM »
1. If there were 11 people, I wouldn't. I'm talking about minyanim following no restrictions whatsoever.

2. It's pretty well documented that the shuls who aren't following the rules are well aware

3. This shiyla has been asked and paskened by  various rabbonim. I will not post their names publicly in the event that I've misunderstood it.
What's stopping you?
Are you not aware of any Shuls that are operating at full capacity for the last 3 months?
(Full Disclosure: I do not know what the laws are)

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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #56 on: September 13, 2020, 12:43:54 PM »
What's stopping you?
Are you not aware of any Shuls that are operating at full capacity for the last 3 months?
(Full Disclosure: I do not know what the laws are)
Everything I know is hearsay. I wouldn't call in practice on hersay, but I did at one point get such a Psak.

I also probably posted this in May when the laws were much ore restrictive. I haven't kept up with the letter of the law since then.

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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #57 on: September 13, 2020, 12:49:47 PM »
Everything I know is hearsay. I wouldn't call in practice on hersay, but I did at one point get such a Psak.

I also probably posted this in May when the laws were much ore restrictive. I haven't kept up with the letter of the law since then.
You must not have ventured too far from home, you need to get out more.

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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #58 on: September 13, 2020, 01:14:37 PM »
You must not have ventured too far from home, you need to get out more.
I'm doing just fine in Bergen County, b"h.

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Re: Lakewood Shul has 2 types of minyanim
« Reply #59 on: September 13, 2020, 02:00:42 PM »
You must not have ventured too far from home, you need to get out more.
We are better off when a Police caller stays home.